Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Kazumac]

For the same reason raiders want 130 gear, it's not mandatory to complete final coil either, but you still want it.

Having the best gear in the game is the reward for doing final coil. It's the design of the game, it is what the game rewards you with. Making the highest tier gear obtainable through mindless hunts and easy upgrades devalues the effort and reward set out by the game. I'm not even a FCOB raider and I see that. Inherently no one needs that final tier but when it is the reward for doing the hardest content in the game, it's not hard to see how devaluing that reward has it's flaws as a system.

I really don't care because I'm not driven by gear progression but some are. And I can see their side on this matter.

[Kiroh]

Having the best gear in the game is the reward for doing final coil. It's the design of the game, it is what the game rewards you with. Making the highest tier gear obtainable through mindless hunts and easy upgrades devalues the effort and reward set out by the game. I'm not even a FCOB raider and I see that. Inherently no one needs that final tier but when it is the reward for doing the hardest content in the game, it's not hard to see how devaluing that reward has it's flaws as a system.

I really don't care because I'm not driven by gear progression but some are. And I can see their side on this matter.

Cry me a river honestly, if your effort is so worthless that it's devalued by someone else obtaining the gear more easily than you did this is not the game for you. Or any vertical progression mmo to be honest, the entire system in this game is built around gear becoming obsolete and easier to obtain patch-by-patch. That's the system we're stuck with and it's not changing any time soon. If you expect the gear you get this patch to be that hard to obtain forever, you're going to have a bad time.

[Kazumac]

Cry me a river honestly, if your effort is so worthless that it's devalued by someone else obtaining the gear more easily than you did this is not the game for you. Or any vertical progression mmo to be honest, the entire system in this game is built around gear becoming obsolete and easier to obtain patch-by-patch. That's the system we're stuck with and it's not changing any time soon. If you expect the gear you get this patch to be that hard to obtain forever, you're going to have a bad time.

Dude, I suggested taking another look at a different perspective. You are the one on the attack because someone has a different perspecive. And I'm quite aware of the state of the game and how vertical progression works. But SE devalues the the reward before offering up new content and additional rewards. Well it is my opinion that it is flawed. (It's cool its an opinion, I don't require you to share it)

I described a counter point to why it might matter to some but it's cool you can attack me for trying to rationalize another point of view don't worry I can be your virtual punching bag.

[Kiroh]

Dude, I suggested taking another look at a different perspective. You are the one on the attack because someone has a different perspecive. And I'm quite aware of the state of the game and how vertical progression works. But SE devalues the the reward before offering up new content and additional rewards. Well it is my opinion that it is flawed. (It's cool its an opinion, I don't require you to share it)

I described a counter point to why it might matter to some but it's cool you can attack me for trying to rationalize another point of view don't worry I can be your virtual punching bag.

The very nature of a vertical progression MMOs means your opinion, however cool you think it is, is wrong. Your belief in something has no effect whatsoever on the outcome, no matter how commonly shared.

[Kazumac]

The very nature of a vertical progression MMOs means your opinion, however cool you think it is, is wrong. Your belief in something has no effect whatsoever on the outcome, no matter how commonly shared.

I don't see how saying their timing is off on the vertical baselining of gear means I don't understand vertical MMOs. And that having the time adjusted such that the reward is still relevantly seen as a reward until another vertical rung is added, is inherently wrong. It is a matter of opinion when that baseline should happen. I feel it is too early, others feel it is not.

[Krr]

Let's see here...

-WoD itemization is largely unique from both FCOB and Ironworks itemization. While some WoD pieces will become BIS, many Dreadwyrm items will still be better.
-Dreadwyrm weapons are still the strongest in the game.
-The rate of progression through WoD doesn't increase. You still need to spend Twine to advance.
-Coil raiders can now use their Twine for more potentially good options, increasing the value of Coil's weekly Twine.
-i130 gear will be accessible to every player once Twine is added to CT dungeons regardless.
-WoD gear gains actual value for things other than cosmetics and alts.

What's the problem again?

[Sorrik]

Normally, this is acceptable to me. However, Alexander and the new gear are NOT released yet and there's not even a definitive release date yet. Nothing holds SE accountable. Nothing prevents them from saying, "We're pushing the expansion back because it's not ready to ship yet. Sorry, please wait until December." So in all this time while FCoB is still THE MOST relevant endgame content, all of our (the people who have put time and effort into Coils) work is pointless beyond the storyline which everyone can find on Youtube. SE is devaluing their own content prematurely. THAT is what the 19 pages are about.