Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Sorrik]

@ Kiroh

Except it isn't old news. SHOCK. T5 is old because there is a harder difficulty raid after it. Is there anything harder than FCoB out right now? Be quiet if you can't use some elementary logic. Farm does not mean it is old. It means they are farming it. I abhor how people in this thread are mix-matching words and not using their actual definitions. Tiggy is right. The day ... the literal day 3.0 is released (not the SEASON it is estimated to be released in - oh and btw this means the Devs can change it to whatever season they want maybe Winter because there is no actual numerical date to hold them accountable to) is when FCoB will be "old". Even then casuals will call for harder nerfs than they're going to receive because they don't want to work for their iLvl. They want it handed to them.

[Kiroh]

Dude, I suggested taking another look at a different perspective. You are the one on the attack because someone has a different perspecive. And I'm quite aware of the state of the game and how vertical progression works. But SE devalues the the reward before offering up new content and additional rewards. Well it is my opinion that it is flawed. (It's cool its an opinion, I don't require you to share it)

I described a counter point to why it might matter to some but it's cool you can attack me for trying to rationalize another point of view don't worry I can be your virtual punching bag.

The very nature of a vertical progression MMOs means your opinion, however cool you think it is, is wrong. Your belief in something has no effect whatsoever on the outcome, no matter how commonly shared.

[Kiroh]

@ Kiroh

Except it isn't old news. SHOCK. T5 is old because there is a harder difficulty raid after it. Is there anything harder than FCoB out right now? Be quiet if you can't use some elementary logic. Farm does not mean it is old. It means they are farming it. I abhor how people in this thread are mix-matching words and not using their actual definitions. Tiggy is right. The day ... the literal day 3.0 is released (not the SEASON it is estimated to be released in - oh and btw this means the Devs can change it to whatever season they want maybe Winter because there is no actual numerical date to hold them accountable to) is when FCoB will be "old". Even then casuals will call for harder nerfs than they're going to receive because they don't want to work for their iLvl. They want it handed to them.

Again, it doesn't matter what you feel, think or believe. The gear WILL become easier to get as patches go on. Period. It has nothing to do with "casuals" and everything to do with "this is the way the devs built the game to function".

[Kazumac]

The very nature of a vertical progression MMOs means your opinion, however cool you think it is, is wrong. Your belief in something has no effect whatsoever on the outcome, no matter how commonly shared.

I don't see how saying their timing is off on the vertical baselining of gear means I don't understand vertical MMOs. And that having the time adjusted such that the reward is still relevantly seen as a reward until another vertical rung is added, is inherently wrong. It is a matter of opinion when that baseline should happen. I feel it is too early, others feel it is not.

[Sorrik]

Again, it doesn't matter what you feel, think or believe. The gear WILL become easier to get as patches go on. Period. It has nothing to do with "casuals" and everything to do with "this is the way the devs built the game to function".

And again, as Kazumac has said, it is perfectly fine that the game is designed that way, but people (OP for example) need to stop calling out for ways to reach the iLvls that should be reserved for the raiders until new content is released. You can have our gear without the work we put in ... IN TIME. Not while the content is still relevant and the hardest obstacle to overcome. The day I move on to Alexander (which will be the literal day of release of 3.0) is the day you and your kind can have iLvl 130 gear IMO. Either that, or SE can make FCoB gear 135. It's all about timing of release and what you're willing to work for.

[Tiggy]

And again, as Kazumac has said, it is perfectly fine that the game is designed that way, but people (OP for example) need to stop calling out for ways to reach the iLvls that should be reserved for the raiders until new content is released.

or without at least a significant trade off in farming.

Zodiac Weapon quest line has always been the farm method to obtain weapons as powerful as raid.
Grinding hunts is the farm method to upgrade gear to raid level.

There must always be a trade off. You either spent weeks learning the fight and synergizing with a team playing the RNG game week after week, or you farm it tediously. You must pay your pound of flesh to the loot gods when the content your asking for is still the highest tier. Asking for it without paying the price will never fly.

[Noahlimits]

For the same reason raiders want 130 gear, it's not mandatory to complete final coil either, but you still want it.

Considering that only one group in the world can make the claim to beat FCoB in i110 non crafted gear, I'm not sure how valid that statement is. And even then, their first win was with fully pentamelded i110 gear left side which is equiv or better than i120 soldiery. Sounds like people just want handouts.

[Kiroh]

And again, as Kazumac has said, it is perfectly fine that the game is designed that way, but people (OP for example) need to stop calling out for ways to reach the iLvls that should be reserved for the raiders until new content is released. You can have our gear without the work we put in ... IN TIME. Not while the content is still relevant and the hardest obstacle to overcome. The day I move on to Alexander (which will be the literal day of release of 3.0) is the day you and your kind can have iLvl 130 gear IMO. Either that, or SE can make FCoB gear 135. It's all about timing of release and what you're willing to work for.

And still I have 130 pieces, don't like it? What are you going to do about it? Nothing. The day SE makes you director and your opinions on gear matter for anything is the day I'll start caring what you, or your kind think. Sadly for you it is not this day, the game is functioning as SE intends it to on SE's schedule and if you don't like it you can...well...pound sand I guess.

As I stated before, your belief in something has no effect whatsoever on the outcome.

[Odowla]

Considering that only one group in the world can make the claim to beat FCoB in i110 non crafted gear, I'm not sure how valid that statement is. And even then, their first win was with fully pentamelded i110 gear left side which is equiv or better than i120 soldiery. Sounds like people just want handouts.

As much as that is true, every group in the first two weeks of FCoB that cleared t13 did it in roughly equal gear. The only thing week 2'ers had over Lucrezia and CL is they had "maybe" 6 more pieces of loot. I say maybe because RNG.

[Sorrik]

And still I have 130 pieces, don't like it? What are you going to do about it? Nothing. The day SE makes you director and your opinions on gear matter for anything is the day I'll start caring what you, or your kind think. Sadly for you it is not this day, the game is functioning as SE intends it to on SE's schedule and if you don't like it you can...well...pound sand I guess.

As I stated before, your belief in something has no effect whatsoever on the outcome.

I apologize, but what exactly do thing General Discussion threads are for? DISCUSSING STUFF. If you're content with how the game is, and you are so self-assured that nothing anyone says on GD will ever make it to the Devs' ears thus creating change, then please do us all the favor of taking the horse you are so high on and leave. You have no business posting one more word since your approach is essentially (paraphrasing) nothing anyone who pays SE's bills says will ever change anything. PWNED.