Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Altena]

Honestly... Grinding WoD isn't much different to grinding the 450 poetics for the week and buying/upgrading poetics gear.
Basically comparing random drop/luck to a token/currency system (poetics).

Coil gear only being on-par with Poetics gear (once twine is available from other sources, hunts being an example) no longer makes raids essential for BiS anyway..
At least with potential BiS coming from WoD, it would open up a lot more options for min/maxing - instead of settling with mediocre substats on certain pieces.

I'm for it.

[Galliano]

We need more content of the same calibre offering the same ilvl. If we had 5-6 different forms of content all offering different i130 gear it would be much more fun working out which slots you want from which content and gathering up different friends to tackle the different challenges. As it is now it's either faceroll hunts or rigid static for coil.

I would love to see this go hand in hand with more hard open world content designed for 8 players, poppable boss mobs with hard to obtain pop items, very dangerous areas, extremely hard group Leves etc etc.

For dangerous areas it would be cool to have a void that warps you to a harder version of the zone (just change the lighting to make it all dark and ominous and fill it with tough mobs and wandering boss mobs), with that zone still being completely open world (so anybody who has the void unlocked can enter).

Reusing a zone like this would take much less resources than creating entire new areas and would give many people the danger and excitement they desire in the open world.

[Utsu]

Not everyone does coil and to be honest it's not even necessary to gear up a job.

So why do you need i130 gear if you don't Coil ? i120 is enough to duty and chill.

Nonsense.

[Lemuria]

So why do you need i130 gear if you don't Coil ? i120 is enough to duty and chill.

Nonsense.

Why do you need i130 gear even if you DO coil? Again, same argument. This game is all about gear grinding ultimately. Whether you raid or not doesn't even factor into it. Both the endgame content and the rest can be done without the highest-tier gear, so this argument is tired and defeated.

[Werhusky]

I don't see a point to upscale WoD gear... theres always those piece where the ilvl upgrade is a downgrade statwise. So will I eg keep my Demon Gloves of Healing because of those nice sweeeeeet crit and so does our bard prefer Demon Tabard of Aiming over Ironworks or Dreadwyrm. Ilvl makes gear not per se better and doesnt give you more skill.

[Utsu]

Why do you need i130 gear even if you DO coil? Again, same argument. This game is all about gear grinding ultimately. Whether you raid or not doesn't even factor into it. Both the endgame content and the rest can be done without the highest-tier gear, so this argument is tired and defeated.

You don't even know what you're talking about.

Do you really think we're slacking the rest of the week after cleaning FCoB ? The top CLs are doing hardcore optimisation for their jobs and rosters, speedkills, solohealing, etc.

The i130 is/should be an achievement AND a tool for raiders, better call us elitists if you want, I just don't know why a lot of ppl want top ilvl gear without any useful way to use it.

Now, can you answer, why do you need i130 gear as non-raider ? i120 is enough for what you're doing, it will be enough for the 3.0 too.

[Shiki_Lockhart]

To be honest I was thinking about this too. Only 2 sets to choose is too low. Even if they make wod gear upgradeable the fcob will have still many bis pieces.

If they balance out several endgames contents in 3.0, like adding the fortress of alexander (already confirmed) and then add for example 1 or more super hard dungeons for 8 players like how was AV/CC in 1.0 and other stuff, with several gear sets where they had each 1-2 pieces where they are bis people would do several things to get all of them. In the end everyone would get busier with more to do and have more fun because they weren't doing just 1 thing to clear.

[Rinuko]

I dont see them doing tthat. I mean they didnt replace ST with Sol gear and the High Allagan gear.

[Nel_Celestine]

seems like an interesting idea to me at least.

Also can we not have another thread about upgrade options devolve into "Casuals don't need anything above i90" again?

[ScarletDawn]

You don't even know what you're talking about.

Do you really think we're slacking the rest of the week after cleaning FCoB ? The top CLs are doing hardcore optimisation for their jobs and rosters, speedkills, solohealing, etc.

The i130 is/should be an achievement AND a tool for raiders, better call us elitists if you want, I just don't know why a lot of ppl want top ilvl gear without any useful way to use it.

Now, can you answer, why do you need i130 gear as non-raider ? i120 is enough for what you're doing, it will be enough for the 3.0 too.

Why should only people who do FcoB be the only ones aloud to have ilvl 130 gear? For those who have not unlocked the content or have a GROUP to do it, being limited in what you can and cant have is terrible and turns you away from the game. Again why should only a minority of people who do a tiny bit of the end game content be aloud to gain the highest level in gear?