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  1. #21
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    Tanthalus's Avatar
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    I kind of feel like the OP is contradicting him/herself here. States that h/she is sick of being blamed for things going wrong and then shovels out blame on the other classes like it's going out of style. If you are in these t10 attempts pointing the finger this way then you are standing to reap what you sow.
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  2. #22
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    Alkaid Gainsborough
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    Spriggan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanthalus View Post
    I kind of feel like the OP is contradicting him/herself here. States that h/she is sick of being blamed for things going wrong and then shovels out blame on the other classes like it's going out of style. If you are in these t10 attempts pointing the finger this way then you are standing to reap what you sow.
    Either way the OP has come to the forums asking for help and we should give him/her the benefit of the doubt and help them as much as we can.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstsin View Post
    Either way the OP has come to the forums asking for help and we should give him/her the benefit of the doubt and help them as much as we can.
    Clearly OP got many helpful pointers but my call was on objectivity of the original post itself. How does one criticize a group of people and then use the same criticism as a shield claiming abuse?
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  4. #24
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    To be fair... as said on the first page... Healers, for some reason, do get a lot of blame when things start going wrong. White mages more than scholars a lot of the time, even. The Edda questline (the beginning parts) were pretty brilliant really. Now it's possible the OP or anyone on these forums is doing something wrong themselves and maybe they really did cause party wipes.

    I've had some pretty good pugs, but also some really bad ones. Even in my static yesterday, a summoner got kind of ticked at me because he ate an avoidable, but so did the main tank who was then at 10% HP. Healed the tank, we took a raidwide AoE, the summoner then starting talking about 'I could have survived if you healed me'. Outside of a static, it probably would have been much less polite (but in a better static, the raid lead would have shut him down). These aren't rare occurrences... so I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt; I can understand her frustration.

    Maybe I'm wrong but I would prefer to try to be constructive.
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  5. #25
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    Cosmoswan Prelude
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    the main difficult pray i have to deal with was those who happens at the beginning of second adds.
    Because you can't stoneskin everyone before because of the aoe mechanics just before who throw away the pré cast one.

    So my solution is , as soon as the boss cast the adds, i use the speel speed skill, stoneskin 3 players, use heal 2 on a tank , and stoneskin again.
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    Lilli Karani
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    Divine Seal + Regen on both tanks and Presence of Mind for Stoneskin. I never had issues with dying tanks during stoneskinning pray.
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  7. #27
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    Amai Couteau
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    @first 2 posts: Clearly sounds like a tank problem. You'd be stupid to tolerate cones directed at the party and expect the tanks to live w/o any cooldowns.
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  8. #28
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    I can relate to OPs story, just tried healing as a SCH in t10 for the first time and got lots of fingers pointed at me but not at the WHM, since anything heal related is clearly caused solely by me, especially prey mishaps.

    This is a new static, so I expect things to be rough at first.So I was wondering if this would be something that would work in whm/sch team:

    Crit rip: sch: adlo+eye ; whm - ss + regen

    1 target prey: sch: regular speed adlo ; whm: regular speed ss.

    2 target prey, 1st add wave: both precast ss when tank doesnt need much healing, then a succor should work, assuming no one gets hit by tail/hiss.

    2 target prey 2nd add wave: succor before, then scholar swiftcasts ss on top target and whm swiftcasts ss on bottom target.

    And what will be the best time to use virus before rip or before wild charge? Would scholar stoneskin + succor be too weak to prevent prey effects?
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  9. #29
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurr View Post
    I can relate to OPs story, just tried healing as a SCH in t10 for the first time and got lots of fingers pointed at me but not at the WHM, since anything heal related is clearly caused solely by me, especially prey mishaps.

    This is a new static, so I expect things to be rough at first.So I was wondering if this would be something that would work in whm/sch team:

    Crit rip: sch: adlo+eye ; whm - ss + regen

    1 target prey: sch: regular speed adlo ; whm: regular speed ss.

    2 target prey, 1st add wave: both precast ss when tank doesnt need much healing, then a succor should work, assuming no one gets hit by tail/hiss.

    2 target prey 2nd add wave: succor before, then scholar swiftcasts ss on top target and whm swiftcasts ss on bottom target.

    And what will be the best time to use virus before rip or before wild charge? Would scholar stoneskin + succor be too weak to prevent prey effects?
    Prey management requires no complicated strategy. Just be on the same page with your co-healer so that you're avoiding redundancy. It really doesn't matter what your preferred tactic is (e.g. SCH Adlo vs. WHM SS) as long as you don't trip over each other and let the tank get blown up by Critical Rip, for instance.

    Yes, a Succor+SCH Stoneskin is sufficient mitigation to block, but there's no point in this since a single Adlo will do the job. SCHs shouldn't be using all their GCDs to throw around Stoneskins when they could be assisting with DPS instead.

    An important factor is how well you and your partner predict the Prey mechanic and how quickly you can respond. If, for example, your WHM partner is habitually slow on the draw, you will need to shoulder more of the responsibility. You can easily handle both Preys during the add phase if your WHM is really pressed to respond (though that really shouldn't be the case). If, on the other hand, the WHM is on top of things, the slower casting time of Stoneskin won't be an issue (especially if they wisely throw a few out right before add phases begin).

    As for Virus, you might as well use it on the first Rip since it will be up again for the first (potentially) big raid-wide AoE. Early Wild Charges should not be giving your team any problems if they are soaking correctly by standing in a line and not hugging. If DPS is low and you are pushing the soft enrage relatively early, a timely Virus could help prevent a Charge+Floor Tick death in the last phase.
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    Last edited by Cynfael; 02-18-2015 at 02:57 AM.

  10. #30
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    Thanks for the tips, Cynfael! ^_^ I'll pass them along to the team, and hopefully we can beat it. In retrospect it probably isn't that hard of a turn to heal, but takes getting used to.
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