I think its time BRD get some loving

[Galdous]

If you are not basing it off coils then I can go on and tell you bards are for the most part top dps then. Every WOD raid and dungeon I am in bards are always top every time. Bards are easier to play and a superior dps for casual players who do not want to master the nuances what make the other jobs stronger dps. If bards are given a dps boost then mobility has to be nerfed hard or a more complicated rotation.

No matter what theories people come out with it does not work because we went through this in 2.0. Bards were above all other dps jobs when our dps was boosted. Your proof that bards do not need buffs are pretty blatant if you log in and see the 50 bards standing around you vs every other job. Bards are so overplayed for a reason. Because they perform at the higher dps echelon with less skill required and have high mobility for having 90% of the dps of the other jobs. Please SE do not make us more OP then we already are.

[TheWaywardWind]

They don't do a whole lot less. I have seen the numbers and I've read through much of this thread; there isn't a single justifiable reason to buff bard other than "I want to do more damage."

People need to stop looking at damage numbers from Dragoon, Monk, and Ninja and think, "Damn, I should be doing those numbers, or very close to them!" because you shouldn't. That's not taking into account the myriad number of benefits that being a bard provides over being a base melee, which includes
-Being more able to support party members
-Able to move around attack at no cost to overall DPS output
-No positionals required whatsoever
-No confusing or difficult rotation to master

All of the other DPS classes do so much more damage because they require these things. Bard, however, does not. And not only does Bard not require positionals or a heavy-set rotation, it has the ability to support others en masse. The second you move away from a boss as a melee, you lose DPS. Similarly, mages get interrupted and can't move and attack (outside applying simple DoTs and scathe).

Bard is fluid and easy to manage and provides a wealth of abilities and support for other classes. The fact that nearly every bard main in this thread is complaining about their DPS output tells me that they either need to start playing better or start playing a different class. There is nothing wrong with Bard, pure and simple.

I reiterate because every BRD main in favor of this seems to like ignoring it because of MUH DPS.

[TheWaywardWind]

We support 4 other people with Paeon and casters with foes. Thats it.
Other classes have awesome support skills too. Multiple ones.

And Mage's Ballad. And Swift.
And Battle Voice. 80% of your job abilities are pure support. Only one is a DPS action.

Other classes, however, are nowhere near this. Also, see above.

[Sco_The_Hunter]

More damage on Bard would still leave us with shit damage and not help anyone. We already have damage boost skills for a reason, so we can still hold up in DPS checks. The real problem is that while not singing songs we're just wasted space. What we really need is more ways to support the team in the form of songs or even some other types of supportive skills that allow us to feel valued all the time, not just some of the time. Instead of asking for damage brainstorm some unique and interesting supportive mechanics or things that would help ourselves to fulfill that role.

[Sapphic]

Buffing someone DOES NOT = The Damage gain is suddenly yours. Does it get added to my parse? newp, sure doesn't. That is quite possibly the dumbest concept I have ever heard.

That is why Parses have never and never will be a full true and accurate representation to what someone brings to the party. That the damage that has been boosted by the BRD shows on a parser for the BRD is irrelevant and shows on edimensional thinking inregards to what they bring to the party. No BRD or no Paeons means no increase in the overall parties damage. That is what support abilities do as opposed to self buffs.

So yes it is yours, your the reason why the overall party DPS increased. Because with out it there is no DPS increase

[lxChrisxl]

every bard topic gets stupid. people against bards are against everything bard related and don't even bother quoting the good ideas. just come in say the usual "lol no! bards are so op omg" and don't read anything.

[Rhais]

I love how people base balances off of Coil when the majority of players don't do coil or if they do, it is after it gets put on DF and gets echo. Just because a minority does coil as it comes out does not mean you are the be all, end all of balance info. Every other piece of content sees BRDs too weak and definitely not required.

You should not need to be doing coil to see why job balance should be based off of the hardest content in the game. If a job is not excluded from the most challenging content (and really pretty much the only content party composition is given much consideration), it is going to be viable for everything else.

You say that bards are not required for any other piece of content and while I wouldn't disagree this is indicative of nothing, as that is an equally valid statement about every other job. You can clear just about everything with any combination of jobs in your dps, healer, and tank spots.

[dice137]

You say that bards are not required for any other piece of content and while I wouldn't disagree this is indicative of nothing, as that is an equally valid statement about every other job. You can clear just about everything with any combination of jobs in your dps, healer, and tank spots.

Quoted for emphasis and truth.

[Sapphic]

You should not need to be doing coil to see why job balance should be based off of the hardest content in the game. If a job is not excluded from the most challenging content (and really pretty much the only content party composition is given much consideration), it is going to be viable for everything else.

You say that bards are not required for any other piece of content and while I wouldn't disagree this is indicative of nothing, as that is an equally valid statement about every other job. You can clear just about everything with any combination of jobs in your dps, healer, and tank spots.

We've cleared a lot of 4 peep stuff with tank, 1 DPS and 2x SCHs ^_^ We've even done Castrum and AK (normal) with 8 and 4 BLMs! ^_^

[Warlyx]

And Mage's Ballad. And Swift.
And Battle Voice. 80% of your job abilities are pure support. Only one is a DPS action.

Other classes, however, are nowhere near this. Also, see above.

what about BLACK MAGES?

convert : utility
Apocatastasis : utility
manawall : utility
freeze: spell that never gets used...useless
flare : spell used only on aoe/burst