I think its time BRD get some loving

[Galdous]

Bards are fine. Best utility and best mobility. We do not have to be the best in damage as well. It annoys me that other bards feel selfish enough that they should be better at this game then other jobs for some odd reason. We have already seen what happens when bards had the power they did in 2.0. Bards are more then fine we are border line OP right now. If our dps falls behind so far in Heavensward then SE will do something about it. Until then there are several other jobs you can enjoy if the dps is not to your liking.

[Fantasy9]

Bards are fine. Best utility and best mobility. We do not have to be the best in damage as well. It annoys me that other bards feel selfish enough that they should be better at this game then other jobs for some odd reason. We have already seen what happens when bards had the power they did in 2.0. Bards are more then fine we are border line OP right now. If our dps falls behind so far in Heavensward then SE will do something about it. Until then there are several other jobs you can enjoy if the dps is not to your liking.

Quote one person who has said that we BRDs should be better than any other DPS jobs? Everyone in this thread advocating for BRD buff is only asking for DPS close to other DPS jobs because right now we are almost worse than SMNs who don't use Ifrit-Egi.

[Nalien]

I only want two things for Bard;

• A built in form of MP recovery similar to Paladins Riot Blade combo. I would much rather have a weak combo that sustains my MP for Songs for longer than have that -20% damage on two of them. It would mean a good Bard can push DPS while still maintaining Songs, while a bad one would have to focus purely on the weak combo for MP, and as usual the terrible Bards wouldn't be doing Songs at all.
  
• Songs to work off a Mudra style system to give greater variety. Heck, they've already broken the static number of skills per Job with Stoneskin II and Ninja in general, just give Bard two Songs every quest or something... Lack of Song variety is my biggest issue with Bard.

[SirTaint]

Our FCoB BRD refusing to sing anything but Foe's lol. He also parses first in T12 and sometimes T13.

[Gilthas]

I was clearly NOT saying all DPS classes should have the same damage output.

Yet that was the logical conclusion of your statement.

And no, they wouldnt all play bard. Some people prefer more complex jobs simply for their complexity. Others play a Job because they like how it looks.
Take the 2 tanks for example: PLD is much simpler to play and the 2 jobs have fairly equal tanking ability. But plenty of people play WAR, and not just because WAR can do slightly more dps while tanking (they do slightly less dps as OT btw)


Complexity is a gamelplay issue, not a power issue. Making balance decisions based on a Job being less complex is like making balance decisions based on a Job looking cooler. Its a personal preference issue not a balance issue.

Yes, there would always be people playing every job, but you're kidding yourself if you think most of the playerbase wouldn't flock to Bard if it's DPS/Utility were made on par with the rest of the DPS.

[SinisterIsBack]

I like how the people that are against whatever we are suggesting (which mind you isnt much) keep saying we want to be top dps, or that we have tons of support but when you look at other classes abilities they have almost the same amount.

Monk -- Mantra and Dragon Kick
Dragoon -- Piercing buff
Ninja -- Trick atk and goad
BLM -- Apoc Virus
Smn -- Raise Virus

So tell me exactly, how is our support worth more than the classes listed above? Its mana and tp regen and foe's which is only good for casters and ninja.

Bards arent asking to be on par with mnk/nin/drg. We are asking for our WD to start scaling properly, or to reduce/remove the debuff from singing songs. There is absolutely 0 reason to have the debuff on songs.

I havent seen one person give a single reason to have the debuffs on them.

[Ashkendor]

The game is at a point where at least in FCOB, having a BRD is pretty much a must, singing for TP has become quite the necessity, I know nothing will probably get changed but if I could suggest something. Decrease the damage penalty from Paeon and Mage's Ballad by at least 10%, 20% is very harsh at this stage in the game.

"This already gets used all the time, so I think you should make it even more powerful." Seriously? That makes no sense whatsoever. You want huge numbers? Give up that guaranteed raid slot and roll melee or BLM.

lolwut

I don't think I've ever talked to anyone that wants bards to be "further nerf'd" but seriously why would they increase damage (or rather decrease the damage penalty on certain abilities) for a class that already basically has a guaranteed slot in raids because of their support skills? It makes no sense whatsoever. Before you get started on what a noob I must be, I don't even have a dog in the DPS fight (tank main here). Bards have some hugely powerful abilities. If you wanna crank out huge numbers, play another DPS class and have fun competing for static slots.

[DoubleD]

Mindless zombies, stop saying bards want to be top DPS. Every bard posting here never said that. We're worried that this gap is going to keep on playing.

Look, we fell even further behind in 2.4. That is a fact. What was neccessary about that.

And once again, I dont care if bard is out DPSing any of your static. That means they gotta play better. Same skill, same gear every other class should and do kill dwawf bards.

[Fantasy9]

I love how people base balances off of Coil when the majority of players don't do coil or if they do, it is after it gets put on DF and gets echo. Just because a minority does coil as it comes out does not mean you are the be all, end all of balance info. Every other piece of content sees BRDs too weak and definitely not required.

[Ashkendor]

I love how people base balances off of Coil when the majority of players don't do coil or if they do, it is after it gets put on DF and gets echo. Just because a minority does coil as it comes out does not mean you are the be all, end all of balance info. Every other piece of content sees BRDs too weak and definitely not required.

"People" aren't basing the balances off Coil here. The OP started off mentioning it. I dunno who you're talking to that thinks bards are weak; I certainly don't mind having a good one for any content no matter what class I'm playing.