I think its time BRD get some loving

[Dyne_Fellpool]

The current gap right now is fine. If we allowed bards to have their dps bumped to within 5-4% dps of other jobs then the rotation of bards needs to be increased or force a bard to have a debuff to damage when moving around to compensate. The reason we are meant to be lowest is because our ceiling dps cap is also the easiest to achieve which is higher then most floor dps of other jobs. That is why you see bards at the top of the dps parses in the 24 man raids and most dungeons.

You dont balance classes around ease of play. You balance them around dps and utility.

If we balanced around ease of play, WAR would be significantly stronger than PLD. (it isn't)

Some ppl like simpler classes, and some ppl get bored with simple classes and prefer more complex ones. It's a matter of preference and one isn't inherently better than the other.
A good game offers both gameplay options, but doesnt balance class power around it.

[Gilthas]

You dont balance classes around ease of play. You balance them around dps and utility.

Really?

If all the DPS classes in the game had the same damage output and utility everyone and their mother would play Bard.

If Machinist has any sort of support abilities similar to what Bards have, Bards will be thrown by the wayside.

By this logic PLD, WAR, WHM and SCH all need to be buffed or they'll also be thrown by the wayside. It's inevitable that people will flcok to the new jobs once the expansion is released. The only real way to prevent that is to make the new jobs suck/not fun to play with.

If Machinist is as mobile as Bard it's very likely that they'll have the same damage output.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Really?

If all the DPS classes in the game had the same damage output and utility everyone and their mother would play Bard.

I was clearly NOT saying all DPS classes should have the same damage output.

And no, they wouldnt all play bard. Some people prefer more complex jobs simply for their complexity. Others play a Job because they like how it looks.
Take the 2 tanks for example: PLD is much simpler to play and the 2 jobs have fairly equal tanking ability. But plenty of people play WAR, and not just because WAR can do slightly more dps while tanking (they do slightly less dps as OT btw)


Complexity is a gamelplay issue, not a power issue. Making balance decisions based on a Job being less complex is like making balance decisions based on a Job looking cooler. Its a personal preference issue not a balance issue.

[Gilthas]

I was clearly NOT saying all DPS classes should have the same damage output.

Yet that was the logical conclusion of your statement.

And no, they wouldnt all play bard. Some people prefer more complex jobs simply for their complexity. Others play a Job because they like how it looks.
Take the 2 tanks for example: PLD is much simpler to play and the 2 jobs have fairly equal tanking ability. But plenty of people play WAR, and not just because WAR can do slightly more dps while tanking (they do slightly less dps as OT btw)


Complexity is a gamelplay issue, not a power issue. Making balance decisions based on a Job being less complex is like making balance decisions based on a Job looking cooler. Its a personal preference issue not a balance issue.

Yes, there would always be people playing every job, but you're kidding yourself if you think most of the playerbase wouldn't flock to Bard if it's DPS/Utility were made on par with the rest of the DPS.