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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohnax View Post
    Stop talking about reality because you clearly have no concept by the blatant ignorance of text yet twisting of my words. However, you still think you have argumentative high-ground to continue to condescend to myself and others here in disagreement with the OP.

    There is a blatant sob-story in the OP. "I'm alone, so I'm sad. Your game doesn't represent my ideologies, so I'm more sad now." The ideal? Being homosexual. I'm not going further into discussing the morality of whether anyone thinks it's right or wrong, because that's not what this thread was posted for. The developers don't -have- to make the game inclusive for everyone. Saying they should is wanting to force your ideals on other people. If you think it's as easy and just plopping homosexual ideals in front of other people who might not agree with it for religious and/or cultural reasons, then you're just ignorant.

    Now please, stop derailing the topic.
    There are a lot of things that by any modern standard would be considered horrifically backwards that have been part of cultures for a long time. Culture is no excuse for marginalizing human beings or causing them suffering, in any civilized society it simply cannot be. Cultures change to adapt to the world around them, the more aware they become of other people the more they change. Gay people exist, they have always existed and as far into the future as we can reasonably predict they will always exist. Those that refuse to adapt, will fall into obscurity or perish as every one of them have before. That's the nature of humanity and our defining feature in the animal kingdom, we adapt.

    "The children of Eorzea are as trees in a grove, bending to the wind like the willow or bearing it like the oak. Yet live how we might, the wind shall blow."

    Regardless of how you react to change, change will come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    There are a lot of things that by any modern standard would be considered horrifically backwards that have been part of cultures for a long time. Culture is no excuse for marginalizing human beings or causing them suffering, in any civilized society it simply cannot be. Cultures change to adapt to the world around them, the more aware they become of other people the more they change. Gay people exist, they have always existed and as far into the future as we can reasonably predict they will always exist. Those that refuse to adapt, will fall into obscurity or perish as every one of them have before. That's the nature of humanity and our defining feature in the animal kingdom, we adapt.

    Regardless of how you react to change, change will come.
    So if a society doesn't accept a change for whatever reason, they're suddenly not civilized? Just because something has existed, doesn't always mean one way or the other either.

    Frankly, this has nothing to do with causing anyone suffering. It's a video game; an artistic vision of a group's creation. If the lack of a homosexual representation in a fictional reality holiday event causes you suffering, you've got bigger problems than to be on here trying to justify them. Because otherwise, it's been stated multiple times, they is the acceptance of a marriage-like ceremony in this game as well the Wanderer's Palace couple is already in the game.

    You couldn't have missed the point further wherein I mentioned culture and religion in the first place; it's a business.

    Also, whenever human biology adapts, then you can actually use nature as a solid argument. Just remember though, change can go a variety of ways. Some you won't always like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohnax View Post
    So if a society doesn't accept a change for whatever reason, they're suddenly not civilized? Just because something has existed, doesn't always mean one way or the other either.

    Frankly, this has nothing to do with causing anyone suffering. It's a video game; an artistic vision of a group's creation. If the lack of a homosexual representation in a fictional reality holiday event causes you suffering, you've got bigger problems than to be on here trying to justify them. Because otherwise, it's been stated multiple times, they is the acceptance of a marriage-like ceremony in this game as well the Wanderer's Palace couple is already in the game.

    You couldn't have missed the point further wherein I mentioned culture and religion in the first place; it's a business.

    Also, whenever human biology adapts, then you can actually use nature as a solid argument. Just remember though, change go a variety of ways. Some you won't always like.
    I think you sort of completely missed the point, just because something is "culture" does not make it a justification for bigotry and mistreatment of human beings. Culture (or for that matter religion) is not a shield that makes any and all behavior acceptable, regardless of how long it has been practiced.

    As for adaptation, biology is not the only way humans adapt. We can also change our habits, behaviors and even our social constructs to adapt to changes in the world around us. We have reached a point in human history where we even have the option to change our environment if we so choose.

    I'm well aware it's a business, and had you read my previous post in this thread you'd know I'm actually quite content with just the changes they've made already.
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