No love for V-day.

[Zohnax]

I read what you wrote and it was a mess. Hence the quote, and the reply. Asking for representation is a much needed reality check for the people who are still oblivious (or refuse to believe) to some people's existence and a way to make your game more inclusive for all your playerbase. Zero agendas or ideals at play, let alone guilt-tripping. But more importantly, it requires 0 effort and has no drawbacks.

Stop talking about reality because you clearly have no concept by the blatant ignorance of text yet twisting of my words. However, you still think you have argumentative high-ground to continue to condescend to myself and others here in disagreement with the OP.

There is a blatant sob-story in the OP. "I'm alone, so I'm sad. Your game doesn't represent my ideologies, so I'm more sad now." The ideal? Being homosexual. I'm not going further into discussing the morality of whether anyone thinks it's right or wrong, because that's not what this thread was posted for. The developers don't -have- to make the game inclusive for everyone. Saying they should is wanting to force your ideals on other people. If you think it's as easy and just plopping homosexual ideals in front of other people who might not agree with it for religious and/or cultural reasons, then you're just ignorant.

Now please, stop derailing the topic.

[Kiroh]

Stop talking about reality because you clearly have no concept by the blatant ignorance of text yet twisting of my words. However, you still think you have argumentative high-ground to continue to condescend to myself and others here in disagreement with the OP.

There is a blatant sob-story in the OP. "I'm alone, so I'm sad. Your game doesn't represent my ideologies, so I'm more sad now." The ideal? Being homosexual. I'm not going further into discussing the morality of whether anyone thinks it's right or wrong, because that's not what this thread was posted for. The developers don't -have- to make the game inclusive for everyone. Saying they should is wanting to force your ideals on other people. If you think it's as easy and just plopping homosexual ideals in front of other people who might not agree with it for religious and/or cultural reasons, then you're just ignorant.

Now please, stop derailing the topic.

There are a lot of things that by any modern standard would be considered horrifically backwards that have been part of cultures for a long time. Culture is no excuse for marginalizing human beings or causing them suffering, in any civilized society it simply cannot be. Cultures change to adapt to the world around them, the more aware they become of other people the more they change. Gay people exist, they have always existed and as far into the future as we can reasonably predict they will always exist. Those that refuse to adapt, will fall into obscurity or perish as every one of them have before. That's the nature of humanity and our defining feature in the animal kingdom, we adapt.

"The children of Eorzea are as trees in a grove, bending to the wind like the willow or bearing it like the oak. Yet live how we might, the wind shall blow."

Regardless of how you react to change, change will come.

[Ashkendor]

Besides, you're talking like there isn't representation anyways, which there is plenty elsewhere. Last I checked the entire LGTB community still accounted for less than 5% of the population. If you want real representation like you or so called, having 1 in 3 couples represented as gay would actually have been an over-representation.

The OP was actually asking for 2/3 of the couples to be same-sex couples, one M/M and one F/F.

This was my first thought here, that it would be an over-representation just for the sake of it.

[Lemuria]

...groan...

Seriously..? Look I'm all for being free with your sexuality. Gay, bi, straight... it shouldn't matter what you are. The point is your sexuality doesn't define YOU. Nor should it define anyone. This argument is like a straight person saying 'there aren't enough straight couples in the game', since very few are genuinely tied together in any meaningful way.

The big question you need to ask yourself is do you want equality, which I hope most people strive for, or do you just want special treatment? There's a really big difference, and posts like this seem far too much like the latter to take them even remotely seriously. If they do add gay couples into a valentines event, fine... great. But complaints about their omission just makes you sound like a needy child who wants the attention.

Welcome to the modern age. We don't need to know that you're gay, bi or straight. It doesn't matter unless you're trying to use FFXIV as a dating site. You're allowed to have a personality, so act like you have one.

[Zohnax]

There are a lot of things that by any modern standard would be considered horrifically backwards that have been part of cultures for a long time. Culture is no excuse for marginalizing human beings or causing them suffering, in any civilized society it simply cannot be. Cultures change to adapt to the world around them, the more aware they become of other people the more they change. Gay people exist, they have always existed and as far into the future as we can reasonably predict they will always exist. Those that refuse to adapt, will fall into obscurity or perish as every one of them have before. That's the nature of humanity and our defining feature in the animal kingdom, we adapt.

Regardless of how you react to change, change will come.

So if a society doesn't accept a change for whatever reason, they're suddenly not civilized? Just because something has existed, doesn't always mean one way or the other either.

Frankly, this has nothing to do with causing anyone suffering. It's a video game; an artistic vision of a group's creation. If the lack of a homosexual representation in a fictional reality holiday event causes you suffering, you've got bigger problems than to be on here trying to justify them. Because otherwise, it's been stated multiple times, they is the acceptance of a marriage-like ceremony in this game as well the Wanderer's Palace couple is already in the game.

You couldn't have missed the point further wherein I mentioned culture and religion in the first place; it's a business.

Also, whenever human biology adapts, then you can actually use nature as a solid argument. Just remember though, change can go a variety of ways. Some you won't always like.

[Marquiss]

The fact that this is such a big issue means that you should maybe step away from the game and sort out your life priorities. If you need an online game to fill in the hole that's missing in your life in regards to whatever problem you may have, you probably have some issues.

[Kiroh]

So if a society doesn't accept a change for whatever reason, they're suddenly not civilized? Just because something has existed, doesn't always mean one way or the other either.

Frankly, this has nothing to do with causing anyone suffering. It's a video game; an artistic vision of a group's creation. If the lack of a homosexual representation in a fictional reality holiday event causes you suffering, you've got bigger problems than to be on here trying to justify them. Because otherwise, it's been stated multiple times, they is the acceptance of a marriage-like ceremony in this game as well the Wanderer's Palace couple is already in the game.

You couldn't have missed the point further wherein I mentioned culture and religion in the first place; it's a business.

Also, whenever human biology adapts, then you can actually use nature as a solid argument. Just remember though, change go a variety of ways. Some you won't always like.

I think you sort of completely missed the point, just because something is "culture" does not make it a justification for bigotry and mistreatment of human beings. Culture (or for that matter religion) is not a shield that makes any and all behavior acceptable, regardless of how long it has been practiced.

As for adaptation, biology is not the only way humans adapt. We can also change our habits, behaviors and even our social constructs to adapt to changes in the world around us. We have reached a point in human history where we even have the option to change our environment if we so choose.

I'm well aware it's a business, and had you read my previous post in this thread you'd know I'm actually quite content with just the changes they've made already.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

All I am seeing is special snowflake syndrome.

[Riepah]

And even more so with the fact that in the meantime we've gotten the Ceremony of Eternal Bonding, a "marriage system", which has no restriction whatsoever on either gender or race. Please be more mindful with such things, SE.

Is this a joke? "We got something, so now we want more, please be mindful." - It's like you're suggesting they should've just stuck to M/F at all times, forever, to avoid this.

There is same sex eternal bonding and there is a gay couple in the storyline for a new dungeon, and you are upset that 3-4 couples at Valentine's day just so happen to be straight? And you're suggesting 1 m/f, 1 m/m and 1f/f - a 2:1 homo to hetero ratio. Do you really think your request is reasonable?

[Kiroh]

Is this a joke? "We got something, so now we want more, please be mindful." - It's like you're suggesting they should've just stuck to M/F at all times, forever, to avoid this.

There is same sex eternal bonding and there is a gay couple in the storyline for a new dungeon, and you are upset that 3-4 couples at Valentine's day just so happen to be straight? And you're suggesting 1 m/f, 1 m/m and 1f/f - a 2:1 homo to hetero ratio. Do you really think your request is reasonable?

There really isn't any good reason they can't or shouldn't add more eventually. In this particular event for this particular year, with disposable and nameless characters we will likely never see again it honestly doesn't bother me. Sometime in the future I'd like to see maybe a lasting character or couple, and maybe a few npcs here and there. I'm happy that SE has taken the time to include it as much as they have already, having openly gay characters at all is really a first for the final fantasy series and a pleasant change of pace.