Final coil in duty finder

[Zephyranthes]

Ok, you queue DF, nobody stack on the charge and one player or 2-3 die.
Wipe and disband, good game .

Poor excuse for not adding things in DF.

Not adding things to DF lengthens the life of the content. In my experience, it's harder to put a group together than actually playing the content. If SE placed Final Coil in DF (even w/o nerfs), more people would be able to clear it and run out of things to do quicker. SE doesn't want this.

There are many good players that don't have time to commit to a set schedule and have no static group to clear content. DF will be helpful with this. It's an automated and more efficient PF if you're not bothered on who you'll be grouped together with. I've yet to hear a good explanation on why new content are not placed immediately in DF aside from "mechanics too hard, randoms will just fail". Trying content with random people on your own preferred time is better than not being able to try it at all.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

actually i bet they will add fcob to duty finder and remove weekly loot lock once patch 2.5 part 2 comes out late march. since form then to heavensward it will be at most 4-6 weeks and adding it AFTER launch makes no sense since lvl cap makes it totally pointless to be run for loot. nobody is gonna do that since all are busy leveling to 60. so adding it before 3.0 is imo a very good choice. hopefully the devs are this smart to see that. it makes no sense to block players completing thier gearsets when said gearsets are useless after 3.0.

That's what I see happening as well. 2.55 will essentially be what a 2.6 would have been. Add final coil to DF and get rid of weekly restrictions in wod and add twine to it

[Itseotle]

good luck trying to get past 3% of the bosses' HP with DF group.

not until they nerf Final Coil in a year later or so.

Who are you kidding, most DF groups will wipe to T10's trash

[Xatsh]

I do not see an issue with adding it to duty finder... as long as there is 0 nerfs. even if 95% of duty find groups cannot even pass 70% on T10.

The real question is why would anyone want to use a duty finder for content at this level. Half the DF groups are wiping in WoD still, what will happen on fights that are 10-20xs harder.

[ruskie]

I can imagine that AF2 will be ilevel 130 as starter gear for lv60 content. I'm sure that the ilevel of lv51+ dungeon/non-star crafted gear will lower than the ilevel of coil3 gear

Yup. I think lvl 60 the gear we will get will be 120 or 130 as starting endgame gear. And I'm thinking i90 ~lvl52/53(I'm thinking main story will be required to go into heavensward main story and i90 is iirc the current highest requirement so makes sense to keep going from there.)

[ruskie]

actually i bet they will add fcob to duty finder and remove weekly loot lock once patch 2.5 part 2 comes out late march. since form then to heavensward it will be at most 4-6 weeks and adding it AFTER launch makes no sense since lvl cap makes it totally pointless to be run for loot. nobody is gonna do that since all are busy leveling to 60. so adding it before 3.0 is imo a very good choice. hopefully the devs are this smart to see that. it makes no sense to block players completing thier gearsets when said gearsets are useless after 3.0.

Not everyone will be getting the expansion so leveling to 60 will be for some but not most. To be honest I expect heavensward somewhere end of May start of July not sooner. And frankly I wouldn't be surprised if coil will be dropping some nice EXP and bonus EXP with new people around by that point to make it interesting for people it still run it.

[LunaHoshino]

I honestly don't see a problem with having at least some content that requires a committed group working together. This is an MMO, not a single player game; there should be some things that have to be approached as a static group, not as a group of randoms.

I think a lot of people view statics as being far more complicated than they have to be. Are there some statics who are hardcore and raid multiple days a week for hours at a time? Sure. But there are also just as many like mine and like the one I sub in for sometimes, which are just groups of players who enjoy playing together and like to challenge content together. Mine raids for maybe a total of three or four hours a week, often less because sometimes people can't all be online at the same time. Half the time our raid times end up being a case of "Oh hey, all 8 of us are on, let's go for a little while." We still were able to down T9 in about a month. Now we're excited to get to try our hand at Final Coil.

What incentive is there to get to know other players and put a group together if everything is DFable right off the bat?

[DoubleD]

Even when the newest 8 man raid does inevitably become DFable, I wish it would be locked under at least 2 kills required to unlock in DF. This will prevent people going in blind causing wipes and headaches name calling etc. 2 kills is also to prevent the noobs that just buy clears. By the time anything hits the DF it should be easily farmable considering SE give it ample time to be beaten until they release it in the DF.

I wouldn't mind this 2 kills to unlock for EX-Primals as well.

[EdwinLi]

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If you don't want to deal with this issue then just go in with a fully formed group.

The DF was mostly added so players who could not obtain a premade group to atleast have access to the content.

The solution you provide has plenty of backlash to it when Endgame content becomes outdated by a higher ilvl Endgame content and can lock plenty of people from accessing it because they could not find groups to help them.

[Neri]

If fcob went to DF, isn't that mean the loots will now be farmable since you can enter and clear it as many times as you want? I have a feeling that it will probably goes DF on 3.0 though.