Unfun fact: PSN is always down. EVERY. DAMN. DAY.

[raelgun]

The biggest problem that PC gaming faces - in my mind - is that compared to consoles, playing games on a PC is a bit more involved since you may need to tune your set up, make sure that your drivers are updated, configure your controller, install software, update it, update windows, etc...

on the wallet.

OK some glaring holes here, pretty much everything on the PC is automated, driver updates, install software has to be done on the PS4 as well dunno why you think this is only a PC thing, you also have to update on the PS4 as well.
Windows update is pretty much automated, it will do it for you when you shut down.

If you own a 360 controller, FF14 picks it up right away with no config other then rebinding keys just like on a PS4.

Tune your set up is only done after reccomended settings have taken affect and is one of the reason why you want a pc in the first place and its a given fact granted.

this quote
'Lots of people just don't want to deal with the PC hassle. '

The reason people must think this, is because they are told from uninformed people that pc is complicated and must be like this and that, and consoles are like this and that, thats fault of people, not the format, you really can just plug in and play with a pc, everything is pretty much automated and does it all for me if I wanted to.

When you add the extras such as a big TV, the price difference becomes meh, however PC users with a powerful system dont help themselves using a TN panel screen instead of IPS.

Basic 22-24 inch TN monitors are hugely cheap, but if you also have a TV which can be used with said PS4, well then its only the unit then.

[Kosmos992k]

OK some glaring holes here, pretty much everything on the PC is automated, driver updates, install software has to be done on the PS4 as well dunno why you think this is only a PC thing, you also have to update on the PS4 as well.
Windows update is pretty much automated, it will do it for you when you shut down.

If you own a 360 controller, FF14 picks it up right away with no config other then rebinding keys just like on a PS4.

Tune your set up is only done after reccomended settings have taken affect and is one of the reason why you want a pc in the first place and its a given fact granted.

There are no glaring holes my friend. Everything on a PC is automated right up to the point where something doesn't work as expected, something screws up the registry, or whatever the cause. For someone who knows their stuff a PC is no more complex than a console, both get updates and both use keyboard, mouse, controller. However, as someone who spends about 60 % of their waking/working hours working on a PC in one way or another, I have to say that the console is easier. It just is.

I do have games on my PC as well, I have a foot on both sides of the discussion. I do think that the folks proposing PCs are the 'solution' are ignoring the many small annoyances that make PC gaming just not as easy as console gaming. To you, me and anyone else familiar with PCs, such things go almost un-noticed. But for people not familiar with PCs, they represent problems and obstacles that simply are not there on a console.

You can argue your opinion passionately and accurately, but you're coming from the point of view that "PC is best" for gaming. That's fine, and for you it's the right answer. Just please accept that it's not the right answer for everyone else, and no amount of you saying it's easy, or inexpensive or whatever will change that.

We're just saying that once you get a PC setup and ready to go, don't browse fishy websites or open weird emails and you'll have a perfectly flawless gaming machine...

You guys want something easy where all you do is pop in a disc and go? You gotta deal with your overhead from Sony Bureaucrats.

And I never get viruses, worms, trojans. What kind of websites are you visiting? Do you have the proper protection installed on your PC?

Uh-huh, given the amount of malware (including key-loggers) that is pushed out via compromised advertizing on legitimate sites each year, you might want to tone down your superior rhetoric. Oh, and take a look at this article;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-computer.html

The "overhead from Sony Bureaucrats" means what exactly? Paying for PS Plus? Not being able to hack the console and play pirated software? Seriously, how is paying for a supported network service much different than paying for a VPN proxy, paying the Windows tax (MS) or dealing with the anti-virus software and it's updates. Unless you're referring to some philosophical problem you have with Sony of course.

I dont' experience problems with malware, viruses etc either. My PC sits behind a firewall, has it's own firewall, the browser blocks 99% of all ads (if not more) and blocks javascript from sites not on a whitelist, cookies and other temp files are deleted when the browser exits, etc... it runs up to date anti-virus software. I won't bother to address your implication about browsing habits since there's really nothing to answer.

The point that was being made still stands, PC gaming is not for everyone, and your positive opinion and experience with it does not miraculously make it that way for everyone else.

[raelgun]

However, as someone who spends about 60 % of their waking/working hours working on a PC in one way or another, I have to say that the console is easier. It just is.

The problem with this statement is, you look for the problems as part of your working hours, as opposed to casually using it in spare time, this is the difference, you will find the same issue with people who have to sort out consoles, they can say the same thing that it is more problematic prone cos their job is to look for it.

Negligence is rarely admitted to but this is the common case, this doesnt mean pc is easier to break, it just means people are more harsh and look after consoles more despite sometimes the budget difference.

[Kosmos992k]

Negligence is rarely admitted to but this is the common case, this doesnt mean pc is easier to break, it just means people are more harsh and look after consoles more despite sometimes the budget difference.

A PC is a far more open system compared to a console, there is far more scope for user action to result in problems on a PC than on a console.

This is a pointless argument, for you a PC is the right solution, it's not the right solution for others. If you choose to believe otherwise and that your solution is the 'right' one for all, so be it. No matter the merits of the discussion, you'll stick to that position making further discussion pointless.

[Tiggy]

This is a pointless argument, for you a PC is the right solution, it's not the right solution for others.

My solution is the one where I can play regardless of a system maintenance unrelated to the game. The existence of this thread suggests to me it's the right solution for more than just myself. Since Sony likely won't lift the requirement to sign into their service first that leaves me with the pc.

PC Master Race.

TDLR: It's not a good solution when people are clearly complaining about it.