Wolves den needs more insentive

[Yumi_umi]

The thrill and possibility of running into a challenging team at Markets, Manors, or Sun Temple was where it's at.

It's also pretty much lost now. Both with Secure and Wolves' Den.

There are just those rare matches where both teams are almost equally matched and rather the fight being just a landslide. Both teams would square each other down tryig to find that weak spot in the opposing team's defence by making risky moves trying to outplay the enemy. Those core moments of raw pvp is what made WD pvp fun. FL was less charming in a sense as it introduced goals rather than just killing each other to win. That though allowed ppl to start learning how to advance as an alliance by capturing locations etc. slaughter on the other hand is just a hot mess and offers no benefits in pvp progression like its predecessors. Its kinda like a really dumbed down version of WD.

[Yumi_umi]

The PvP community is shrinking you say? I'd like to see a credible source for this please.

It's technically shrinking or rather getting dilluted into a murky pool of PvE players that don't even know what their own set of pvp skills even do. Credible source? Maybe if u took time to think about it rather than just exploding and typing out a 17 word reply asking for others to do the searching for your answer.

[Atreus]

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Sorry, I'm not fully sure if you're disagreeing with me? I didn't say anything contrary to what you did I don't think. Yeah, Wolves' Den and Secure had more personal encounters, even among organized teams (8v8 still got pretty competitive). Slaughter is just... Slaughter.

I'm just saying I miss the first two, they don't happen the way they used to.

[kpxmanifesto]

It's technically shrinking or rather getting dilluted into a murky pool of PvE players that don't even know what their own set of pvp skills even do.

Again, how do you know this! How does one even define a murky pool of PvE players?

Credible source? Maybe if u took time to think about it rather than just exploding and typing out a 17 word reply asking for others to do the searching for your answer.

No. Telling someone to think about it is not a credible source. Don't be angry at me because I asked you to show evidence of your claim. When you make such a statement, the burden of proof is on you. Just remember that you're trying to convince other people and not vice versa.

[zeopower6]

I think more and more people are trying PvP than ever before, but I don't know if they are sticking with it. (SO many Walk the Line Is in the last month)

The ADS mount is making a lot of people start and they're not very good... hopefully they'll learn as time goes on. (for the sake of our GCs lol)

[kpxmanifesto]

Sorry, I'm not fully sure if you're disagreeing with me? I didn't say anything contrary to what you did I don't think. Yeah, Wolves' Den and Secure had more personal encounters, even among organized teams (8v8 still got pretty competitive). Slaughter is just... Slaughter.

I'm just saying I miss the first two, they don't happen the way they used to.

I too miss secure. Especially 72 man secure. I haven't gotten it once in the pvp roulette yet. But I did manage to get into several 24 man secure games and those were pretty damn fun.

[zeopower6]

I am hoping I don't get too rusty because of all the Slaughter I have to do to get marks. It's just really discouraging when queuing for Secure slows down your queue in general so you can't even get into a game if you queue for both.

[Yumi_umi]

Sorry, I'm not fully sure if you're disagreeing with me? I didn't say anything contrary to what you did I don't think. Yeah, Wolves' Den and Secure had more personal encounters, even among organized teams (8v8 still got pretty competitive). Slaughter is just... Slaughter.

I'm just saying I miss the first two, they don't happen the way they used to.

Nah lol i mean i agree with ya and with gold saucer coming out it might kill off a lot of ppl's interest in pvp for a while because of it being shiny new and possibly more fun.

[Yumi_umi]

Again, how do you know this! How does one even define a murky pool of PvE players?



No. Telling someone to think about it is not a credible source. Don't be angry at me because I asked you to show evidence of your claim. When you make such a statement, the burden of proof is on you. Just remember that you're trying to convince other people and not vice versa.

Perhaps i'm just seeing a lot of bad players in my team that just don't know how to use their pvp skills effectively and heavily rely on their pve skills to be their saving grace lol.
I see my fellow healers not knowing how to survive a full on assault from a tank, drgn and nin. They resort to running around like a headless chicken lol. I see this a lot ever since FL came out and idk mannnn. I guess the proof is from experience lol. Maybe it'll change when GS comes out = the idgaf pvpers who just want tomes or vanity will flock to GS. Which ofc will hurt qeue times.

[Sunako]

If I have 2 be honest wolves den was pretty dead even year ago. It was really hard find any competitive opponents. That picture may tell you something about it. Most of loses are from solo que or rank 30 marauder one shot our healer that have ilvl70 gear. After you win few opponents, there was no opponents anymore and I do not wonder, it sucks losing against same opponents all of the time because pvp community is simply too small. That it was in 2.1. With frontlines, our pvp community have raised lot more than what it was before.