Final coil in duty finder

[PArcher]

...good luck learning anything via PF with that mentality.

Since you want to try to insult me, would be good to do a character search and see the T13 clears I have. I'm the kind of person who goes and helps you, but you do have to be able to help yourself and not stand in every AoE and blame the heals for not prioritizing you over the tank, and thats just normal dungeon running.

The majority of people playing this game are not ready for even SCoB, nerfed as it is. Being wary of randoms doing FCoB after seeing people failing content from 2.2 or earlier is not unreasonable

[Songi]

I welcome seeing FCoB going to DF before the expansion at least. On the first week of it entering the DF you're going to see a ton of vets who are going in the queues just to have fun and help people get clears. I remember back in 2.1 when EX primals first came out, DF parties were of significantly higher quality than the PF ones on my old server. I actually got my first Titan EX clear through DF (3 days after 2.1 released).

Smaller servers definitely get shafted as far as coil progression is concerned. Plenty of capable players are forced to sit out coil bored because of lack of groups, capable players around, schedling, etc. DF would help players at least get some time in there to gain experience. I can speak for myself, I had to leave my server I was on just to find a static. I'm gonna admit it's kinda dumb having to pay 18 bucks to be able to fight 4 bosses (lol).

[Tommyhawk]

I don't want a nerf.
I don't want it to be easier.
I don't want to be carried.
I would rather have 100 wipes in duty finder than 100 party finder time outs.
It's not that I don't have friends, they just don't want to be bothered with coils.
I beat T9 legitimately in a duty finder 2 weeks ago and have been trying every day since to get into T10. I've only got in once on someone else's learning T10 party finder and we got to phase five cause I studied every bit of the video.
I'm typing this as I have been waiting 50 minutes on my own t10 party finder and not one person has joined

[Krr]

Exclusivity is not a bad thing

Actually it is when it's a significant amount of your development budget. Also, please don't link bad Youtube videos trying to put words in my mouth.

It's coming with Heavensward anyway which is proof itself that the paradigm of developing raid assets that only 10% of the community sees is a mistake and waste of development resources to S-E, and they've only been keeping Coil exclusive due to not being able to develop for both parties, so they pandered to the 10% they knew wouldn't lash out and throw a huge fit on the fora with the 2.1-2.5 devcycle.

[CYoung187]

I don't want a nerf.
I don't want it to be easier.
I don't want to be carried.
I would rather have 100 wipes in duty finder than 100 party finder time outs.
It's not that I don't have friends, they just don't want to be bothered with coils.
I beat T9 legitimately in a duty find/snip
I'm typing this as I have been waiting 50 minutes on my own t10 party finder and not one person has joined

This. Nobody is harmed by allowing people to attempt in DF. I see no reason that anything should be locked out of DF. I couldn't believe that Shiva EX was kept out of DF at first, that easily could have been cleared. There are already prerequisites for people to get in to higher level content (beating t9, previous ex fight etc). The only thing worse then failing at something over and over again is not even getting the chance to try.

[gorezilla1]

If you cannot find 7 other random people on your server and down it with them un-nerfed, you can't do it via duty finder. At least until enough time has passed for you to reach an absurd iLevel. Just saying. Either form a static or wait for the nerf. Putting it in df will simply cause server lag hindering capable team who actually have a shot.

[hallena]

Actually it is when it's a significant amount of your development budget. Also, please don't link bad Youtube videos trying to put words in my mouth.

It's coming with Heavensward anyway which is proof itself that the paradigm of developing raid assets that only 10% of the community sees is a mistake and waste of development resources to S-E, and they've only been keeping Coil exclusive due to not being able to develop for both parties, so they pandered to the 10% they knew wouldn't lash out and throw a huge fit on the fora with the 2.1-2.5 devcycle.

The "normal mode" raid in heavensward will be about as hard as T6-9 with echo with i90-110. So those who are still stuck on t9 with i120-130 still won't be able to beat it regardless.
This won't fix the endless crying. If anything people will cry about feeling like second class players because the best gear is locked behind a mode they can't beat. It's not going to be LFR level of stupids proof most people seem to expect

Regardless, that video explain in detail why exclusivity is a good thing. because you don't agree with it (or are triggered by it) doesn't make it a "bad video"

[Camate]

Similar what we’ve done in the past for the previous Coil content, Final Coil will be added to the Duty Finder at some point in the future; however, I do not have a concrete time frame to share with you at the moment.

[Tyrn]

This. Nobody is harmed by allowing people to attempt in DF. I see no reason that anything should be locked out of DF. I couldn't believe that Shiva EX was kept out of DF at first, that easily could have been cleared. There are already prerequisites for people to get in to higher level content (beating t9, previous ex fight etc). The only thing worse then failing at something over and over again is not even getting the chance to try.

If something is put in the DF it gets nerfed to the point where it's doable with even the worst possible combination of jobs due to the random nature of the DF, this harms everyone who wants to try the content the way it was intended.

[Evangela]

good luck trying to get past 3% of the bosses' HP with DF group.

not until they nerf Final Coil in a year later or so.