Final coil in duty finder

[DoubleD]

This is why stuff is impossible to beat on NA/EU servers in Duty Finder.

[Ophie-Mio]

This is why stuff is impossible to beat on NA/EU servers in Duty Finder.

No, stuff is impossible to beat in DF because for every person who goes in ready and capable of beating it, there are two who come in completely blind to the fight and expect it to be cool. They don't mention that they are new and they can't do anything but hinder the players who do know.

NA (can't speak for EU) servers need to watch videos or practice on PF until they are ready for the DF. Japanese players seem to have that sort of thing down where their successes come from DF, not PF.

[DoubleD]

No, stuff is impossible to beat in DF because for every person who goes in ready and capable of beating it, there are two who come in completely blind to the fight and expect it to be cool. They don't mention that they are new and they can't do anything but hinder the players who do know.

NA (can't speak for EU) servers need to watch videos or practice on PF until they are ready for the DF. Japanese players seem to have that sort of thing down where their successes come from DF, not PF.

Yes, exactly what I meant. Wanting to just DF it pretty much blind without going through practices in PF.

Pretty much on JP server Every coil turn up to T8 has probably about an 80% success rate on DF. T9 maybe 50%...
Ex-Primals Garuda, Ifrit, Titan, Levi, Shiva 100%. Ramuh maybe 70% lol

Just saves time and less agony for everyone if people would learn through party finder more.

[Set-Abominae]

Threads like this make it obvious why we need all major endgame content to have multiple difficulty settings with appropriately tiered rewards.

Why spend all this money designing encounters the average joe on a backwater server isn't going to see and only 10% of the population even touches?

How is this a valid belief? This game already nerfs content faster and harder than probably any mmo I've played. Most will let old content remain as is for extended periods to let new people experience properly where the only real nerf comes with better gear.You dont have to wait very long to run gimp coil so there isnt a need to lower the difficulty on the already super small amount of progression that exists in this game

[BreathlessTao]

Yes, exactly what I meant. Wanting to just DF it pretty much blind without going through practices in PF.

Pretty much on JP server Every coil turn up to T8 has probably about an 80% success rate on DF. T9 maybe 50%...
Ex-Primals Garuda, Ifrit, Titan, Levi, Shiva 100%. Ramuh maybe 70% lol

Just saves time and less agony for everyone if people would learn through party finder more.

...erm. Yeah. Except...

Edit: I don't know your job (and honestly have never seen you put an FCoB pf up) but if you aren't a tank or heal and start an FCoB party, you're likely not getting anyone. Especially if you happen to be a smn. Tanks and heals are rare, and the turns can be especially hard on them, so you have less willing to join random groups without ranks or heals there...
If you are a tank or heal...likely your name is either unknown (which can cause people to not risk joining), or you have some sort of bad reputation. But, again, I have no idea who you are...

...good luck learning anything via PF with that mentality. Which does seem to be the default, in general. Listings in PF, the 98% of them that wouldn't be for learning, always expect/require everyone to bring all kinds of experience, like have it beaten multiple times and don't you dare miss out on one spell or they're gonna hunt down your entire family. But then good luck getting experience when a) the content can't be done via DF; b) the content can be done via DF, but everyone expects you to bring all kinds of experience, like have it beaten multiple times and don't you dare miss out on one spell or they're gonna ragequit / initiate a vote abandon after the very first wipe, ultimately resulting in getting out of duty without anything gained. Of course, it might be easier if one's in a nice FC, but even then...it might not.

People's mentality and attitude need to change, really. Those "reverse" stats of the JP servers don't come from being born with all the knowledge of every MMO ever.

[hallena]

Threads like this make it obvious why we need all major endgame content to have multiple difficulty settings with appropriately tiered rewards.

Why spend all this money designing encounters the average joe on a backwater server isn't going to see and only 10% of the population even touches?

Exclusivity is not a bad thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas

[Wobble]

I see no reason for these things not to be automatically in duty finder when released. They can make it so you need a pre-formed party to queue, it's not hard and they have done this with one of the Frontlines already.

[Set-Abominae]

I see no reason for these things not to be automatically in duty finder when released. They can make it so you need a pre-formed party to queue, it's not hard and they have done this with one of the Frontlines already.

???? Did you even read the post he wants to solo queue cause he has no friends, if you are able to make a full pre-formed party you can walk in at N.Than like everyone else df is not needed and trust me OP you dont want it in df it is 100% unwinnable and they will not implement anything in the game that cannot be won.

To all those who will no doubt say its for training purposes thats not what the df was created for, the japanese use it to clear,even if i agreed that it would work you wont make it past the first phase since 3 people minimum will walk in blind every single time you enter and even if you last till the timer runs out teaching the mechanics (which let's face it wont happen you have 30 mins tops till disband) when you re-enter you will have 3 more fresh faces to train

I would rather duty finder than teleport somewhere personally.

still missing the point, you not wanting to use 300 gil for a tele doesnt fix his being unable to run FCOB

[Wobble]

???? Did you even read the post he wants to solo queue cause he has no friends, if you are able to make a full pre-formed party you can walk in at N.Than like everyone else df is not needed

I would rather duty finder than teleport somewhere personally.

[DoubleD]

I see no reason for these things not to be automatically in duty finder when released. They can make it so you need a pre-formed party to queue, it's not hard and they have done this with one of the Frontlines already.

They put EX-Primals and Coils in get implemented into DF later for a reason. First, adequate time has been given to practice and learn the fights with Pre-formed parties only. When the majority should have already had ample time to learn the fights, it gets implemented into DF. It's good that DF is usually farmable.

The good thing about using DF for farm is for the small low populated servers where you can't always form farm parties for certain content.
I que for DF expecting a clear, but understand that it's impossible to due this on an NA server.

Though, understood there are new people out there as well. So explain mechanics and just give it a go for 15 minutes, then initiate vote disband party because it will be unbeatable.