Final coil in duty finder

[DoubleD]

This is why stuff is impossible to beat on NA/EU servers in Duty Finder.

[Ophie-Mio]

This is why stuff is impossible to beat on NA/EU servers in Duty Finder.

No, stuff is impossible to beat in DF because for every person who goes in ready and capable of beating it, there are two who come in completely blind to the fight and expect it to be cool. They don't mention that they are new and they can't do anything but hinder the players who do know.

NA (can't speak for EU) servers need to watch videos or practice on PF until they are ready for the DF. Japanese players seem to have that sort of thing down where their successes come from DF, not PF.

[DoubleD]

No, stuff is impossible to beat in DF because for every person who goes in ready and capable of beating it, there are two who come in completely blind to the fight and expect it to be cool. They don't mention that they are new and they can't do anything but hinder the players who do know.

NA (can't speak for EU) servers need to watch videos or practice on PF until they are ready for the DF. Japanese players seem to have that sort of thing down where their successes come from DF, not PF.

Yes, exactly what I meant. Wanting to just DF it pretty much blind without going through practices in PF.

Pretty much on JP server Every coil turn up to T8 has probably about an 80% success rate on DF. T9 maybe 50%...
Ex-Primals Garuda, Ifrit, Titan, Levi, Shiva 100%. Ramuh maybe 70% lol

Just saves time and less agony for everyone if people would learn through party finder more.

[BreathlessTao]

Yes, exactly what I meant. Wanting to just DF it pretty much blind without going through practices in PF.

Pretty much on JP server Every coil turn up to T8 has probably about an 80% success rate on DF. T9 maybe 50%...
Ex-Primals Garuda, Ifrit, Titan, Levi, Shiva 100%. Ramuh maybe 70% lol

Just saves time and less agony for everyone if people would learn through party finder more.

...erm. Yeah. Except...

Edit: I don't know your job (and honestly have never seen you put an FCoB pf up) but if you aren't a tank or heal and start an FCoB party, you're likely not getting anyone. Especially if you happen to be a smn. Tanks and heals are rare, and the turns can be especially hard on them, so you have less willing to join random groups without ranks or heals there...
If you are a tank or heal...likely your name is either unknown (which can cause people to not risk joining), or you have some sort of bad reputation. But, again, I have no idea who you are...

...good luck learning anything via PF with that mentality. Which does seem to be the default, in general. Listings in PF, the 98% of them that wouldn't be for learning, always expect/require everyone to bring all kinds of experience, like have it beaten multiple times and don't you dare miss out on one spell or they're gonna hunt down your entire family. But then good luck getting experience when a) the content can't be done via DF; b) the content can be done via DF, but everyone expects you to bring all kinds of experience, like have it beaten multiple times and don't you dare miss out on one spell or they're gonna ragequit / initiate a vote abandon after the very first wipe, ultimately resulting in getting out of duty without anything gained. Of course, it might be easier if one's in a nice FC, but even then...it might not.

People's mentality and attitude need to change, really. Those "reverse" stats of the JP servers don't come from being born with all the knowledge of every MMO ever.

[PArcher]

...good luck learning anything via PF with that mentality.

Since you want to try to insult me, would be good to do a character search and see the T13 clears I have. I'm the kind of person who goes and helps you, but you do have to be able to help yourself and not stand in every AoE and blame the heals for not prioritizing you over the tank, and thats just normal dungeon running.

The majority of people playing this game are not ready for even SCoB, nerfed as it is. Being wary of randoms doing FCoB after seeing people failing content from 2.2 or earlier is not unreasonable

[Sapphic]

No, stuff is impossible to beat in DF because for every person who goes in ready and capable of beating it, there are two who come in completely blind to the fight and expect it to be cool. They don't mention that they are new and they can't do anything but hinder the players who do know.

Tis the same on EU servers with the added extra of players going in with no clue have english selected and have no understanding of English so communication becaomes impossible anyways. Or totally ignore anything written in chat whatsoever.

What makes me shake my head, is that players complain when asked to read a guide about a fight, yet they expect others to write a guide to explain every thing to them when they neter the instance *boggle*

[Mission]

No, stuff is impossible to beat in DF because for every person who goes in ready and capable of beating it, there are two who come in completely blind to the fight and expect it to be cool. They don't mention that they are new and they can't do anything but hinder the players who do know.

NA (can't speak for EU) servers need to watch videos or practice on PF until they are ready for the DF. Japanese players seem to have that sort of thing down where their successes come from DF, not PF.

I Tend to practice in duty finder, and look for clear groups in party finder.... I never expect a clear in duty finder, but in party finder I do.

Duty finder just seems like more of a place for practice runs to me....

[Skeith-Adeline]

I Tend to practice in duty finder, and look for clear groups in party finder.... I never expect a clear in duty finder, but in party finder I do.

Duty finder just seems like more of a place for practice runs to me....

Sorry if I sound insultive, but I really... disagree with that mindset. If a partyfinder (clear) group cannot find, say, a tank, a healer, or a DPS, said party shouldn't have to teach others in a Duty Finder queue the basics of the fight.

Also, I really, really doubt people will be able to clear T12 in Duty Finder. Same with T13. No way lol. T10, ya. T11? Maybe. T12 and 13- no. Not unless massive, unneeded nerfs come in.
"But if T12-13 can't be cleared via dutyfinder, then the nerfs are needed", NO. It just means players need to learn the mechanics and/or their class in respect to the turn.

[Mission]

Sorry if I sound insultive, but I really... disagree with that mindset. If a partyfinder (clear) group cannot find, say, a tank, a healer, or a DPS, said party shouldn't have to teach others in a Duty Finder queue the basics of the fight.

Also, I really, really doubt people will be able to clear T12 in Duty Finder. Same with T13. No way lol. T10, ya. T11? Maybe. T12 and 13- no. Not unless massive, unneeded nerfs come in.
"But if T12-13 can't be cleared via dutyfinder, then the nerfs are needed", NO. It just means players need to learn the mechanics and/or their class in respect to the turn.

Why i use the duty finder for practice..is because you can't control ppls ilvl in duty finder..some queue at the bare minimum ilvl..which most likely wont be a clear. So on that note..why use df for anything other than practice

[Skeith-Adeline]

Why i use the duty finder for practice..is because you can't control ppls ilvl in duty finder..some queue at the bare minimum ilvl..which most likely wont be a clear. So on that note..why use df for anything other than practice

It's double edged really. Because of that, I can't fault you (nor should others). Some people say you shouldn't expect persons who know the fight, and others say you should expect(in the Duty Finder). No parties are technically wrong, but they do disagree with eachother.