In-Game Parser.

[Zeful]

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Cute strawman. That addresses all of nothing I've said though, but that's to be expected. You aren't interested in having other players climb to get to your level, you just said so yourself: "Figuring out basic job rotation to deal damage is something you do before you queue up or join PF. Learning the fight mechanics is something you do before you queue up or join PF." Your argument is so short sighted and filled with logical holes that we should still be waiting on World First clears of the story dungeons if reality was actually reflective of your beliefs. After all, someone has to go into a fight perfectly blind.

Let's look at this from a purely objective perspective. A player does not get his full suite of abilities until level 50, and has to make due trying to optimize a slowly growing stable of abilities for literally most of their formative experience. This means that a parser only has value in the post game, as before then the lack of abilities makes optimizing DPS a simple math problem. Except endgame dungeons get complex quickly compared to what comes before in massive contrast. Especially when in consideration to the ever changing stable of people you play with. When you actually think about how the tempo of each fight plays out, you quickly realize that there is no "basic rotation". The "default Ninja opener" for example is worthless against Garuda and Titan EX because they have such an early phase transition that will push you out of it. With this in mind our objective perspective shows us that there isn't a "basic" rotation, there is a heuristic logic to an ability's timing. This means that a parser is logically even more necessary to optimizing the fight, because the changing nature of the fight and the timing of when bosses become immune to DoTs or damage alters the "weights" of each ability for that fight.

But looking at your statement, this is impossible. Experimentation is verboten, the "rotation" is sacrosanct. "Figuring out basic job rotation to deal damage is something you do before you queue up or join PF." Ergo, it doesn't matter if a parser exists or not, it's effect in the face of this statement is the same either way; nothing.

[juniglee]

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I am a non-end game raider (only just cleared T11 last night). I would still want a parser, because I like to see my numbers and compare against my other teammates' DPS. If nothing, it's for a little bit of internal competition.

I don't do the best DPS possible. I try to, however. Last thing I would want after all, is to bring 7 other people down with me, because I cannot be bothered to optimize playing my role.

Also, fullstops and paragraphing go a bit of way towards communicating your ideas.

[Dwill]

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Except what he's asking is the basic job rotation, not perfect adaptation to every possible scenario. For example, the amount of Dragoon that let Heavy Trust falls is really high and the amount of Summoners who start their DoT opener via Bio therefore locking themselves in the GCD is just as bad. This is basic stuff that doesn't even take 30 minutes to learn on a dummy after you hit 50 and yet, these type of players are widespread and are anchors to group content and I don't about you but I hate having to carry anchors.

[Zeful]

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I'm refuting that a "basic job rotation" exists in a meaningful sense at endgame, which when you look objectively at the rules of each fight is absolutely true, there isn't one because the mechanics of the fight prevent that. Are players that perform poorly at their class' mechanics (loosing buffs, not keeping dots up, poor management of OGCD abilities) going to have that performance mirrored overall? Yes, and I'm not refuting that. But how does that logically transform a heuristic flowchart into a rotation?

More importantly, isn't "perfect adaptation to every possible scenario" the desired endstate behind adding a parser? To make those anchors you carry around able to carry their own weight?

[Dwill]

I'm refuting that a "basic job rotation" exists in a meaningful sense at endgame, which when you look objectively at the rules of each fight is absolutely true, there isn't one because the mechanics of the fight prevent that. Are players that perform poorly at their class' mechanics (loosing buffs, not keeping dots up, poor management of OGCD abilities) going to have that performance mirrored overall? Yes, and I'm not refuting that. But how does that logically transform a heuristic flowchart into a rotation?

We can argue semantics if you want but for every DPS class out there, there exists a rotation. Said rotation though can barely ever be followed as you mentioned due to fight mechanics which means that now once your opener's done, the priority system kicks in. What people are asking is for people to know what said rotation is so that they can better adapt in actual, non-dummy DPS scenarios and then can properly manage their class's priority system. If people can't be bothered to learn that, then they probably can't be bothered to learn a fight's mechanic which just creates a bad domino effect.

More importantly, isn't "perfect adaptation to every possible scenario" the desired endstate behind adding a parser? To make those anchors you carry around able to carry their own weight?

The endstate behind the parser is being able to better oneself as a player, not to attain perfection. As such, this answer your second question. People should carry their own weight, not drag down a group and a parser helps tremendously in that department.

[Wildsprite]

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replacing other people's text with your own ignorant opinion shows that you hold very little respect for the opinion of other players. why then should we respect your blatant accusations that players who are against parsers beyond personal are mediocre?
you keep mentioning coil and you have gone as far as to disregard the opinions of people who have not done beyond T5. I hate coil, I do. I think it's a poor implimentation of something to give to hardcore gamers. you might not like it but Labyrinth of the Ancients, Syrcus Tower and World of Darkness are also raids.

everyone else pays for this game as well, you want others to play your way you can start paying for them to play as well

if you want to know why I think they are poor implimentations I'll simply close with

Dynamis(before it was nerfed), Limbis, Sea, Sky, Salvage, Einherjar(might have misspelled some of these) I probably forgot something from that list

my personal take on parsers is I'm okay with a personal parser that nobody else has access to so that I can see my outputs and test them with various rotations and gear.
I'm against the parsers that everyone can see becoming official because I have seen the damage they do and strife they cause.

[QiLymePye]

The people against this just baffles me. There's been parsers available for PC players since the launch of the game, yet you people want to deny console players the OPTION of utilizing the same tool.

Simply incredible. I guess I shouldn't have expected anything less from the OF.

See, the way i see it, parsers aren't really needed. We don't have them in this game now. Is content unbeatable? No. Alot of you people are killing me. What would you do without built in "cheats"? and yes, I say cheat because its not in the game. I feel like if you really wanna "maximize" your potential and such, get your own group together. As a matter of fact, i think that if they add one, it should only be used in pre-made parties and if parties are in PF, it should notify people that the party thats in party finder is using a parser. Parsers should not be allowed in DF if queuing with less than a full party. That way if you are soloing, you don't have to use it.

[Ghastly]

I never want to see this in FFXIV

[Anera]

I never want to see this in FFXIV

it already in the game. PC only*

[Lycelle]

Well, I've said all I needed to say on this thread. Seems people can't really openly debate without resorting to insults. So I'm gonna now lurk and see how this plays out.