Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[ViviAnimus]

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If you would actualy read what I say, then you would realise I have always claimed that no job is hard on this game, I even claimed that healing is imo harder than DPS including SMN. Selective reading much?
Bard is a very easy class to play, there is no disscussion about that. Monk is also very easy to play, actually, people always make it seem as if it's rocket science.
Yes, I agree that everything is muscle memory, and that every class is easy, I have said this several times. But Summoner is more complex than Black Mage, by far.
I do find it laughable how you use my examples as if to show that it's intricate. I just demonstrated that they have a lot more to do but ruin during their dots (please read).

Also, managing more cooldowns and such, or posotionals as a MNK do not make a class harder than another class. Summoner is in my opinion still more intricate than most because of the dot clipping while managing the rest. It's more a reactive class rather than a muscle memory class. That's what makes it (imo) more challenging than any other ranged DPS at least.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

If you would actualy read what I say, then you would realise I have always claimed that no job is hard on this game, I even claimed that healing is imo harder than DPS including SMN. Selective reading much?
Bard is a very easy class to play, there is no disscussion about that. Monk is also very easy to play, actually, people always make it seem as if it's rocket science.
Yes, I agree that everything is muscle memory, and that every class is easy, I have said this several times. But Summoner is more complex than Black Mage, by far.
I do find it laughable how you use my examples as if to show that it's intricate. I just demonstrated that they have a lot more to do but ruin during their dots (please read).

Here you go again. For the past pages, you've been saying "no class is hard" repeatedly. Meanwhile further into the post you're saying summoner is harder. You're contradicting yourself and not using all the facts. In previous posts you've been repeatedly been using weird examples that involves "complexity": Bane, Enkindle, "pet micro". In my previous post you would have read that:
Bane is situational. It's not something you use all the time.
Enkindle is only once every 300 seconds at quickest. How is this complex in any way?
"Pet micro" involves pressing a single button for contagion. Unlike scholar fairies, you don't spam that embrace button.

And again, you're comparing it to Black mage with summoner being "more complex". Elaborate, how is it more complex? Keep DoTs up? Every job does that. Use buffs ASAP? Every job does that. "Pet Micro" for a button you have to press once every minute? You'll get this much from me. Your demonstration of "more to do but ruin" is nowhere impressive. Whatever you listed there applies to every single job as well. It's not summoner exclusive, it's not what makes summoner hard. So stop overglorifying it as "hard job". You're saying it's not, but between the lines you're repeatedly saying it is bycomparing it to other classes (black mage mainly).

[ViviAnimus]

Seems like you are having a hard time deducting logical conclusions. Saying a class is somewhat harder does not mean that it's not relatively easy to play. So no, it is not a contradiction. Yes, I do think Summoner is more complex than all other ranged classes and perhaps even melee. Actually, I have played all classes and it's my personal experience. And again logical inconsistancies. Giving Fester as an example or Rouse and Spur does not mean the individual skill is complex, it is to demonstrate that in order to execute your class perfectly, you need to be aware of what is coming. This is of course not foreign to other classes too, but, as I have stated, I feel that with the Summoner class it is more demanding.

You don't use buffs ASAP for once. It's not always optimal. But I am a main end game Black Mage. I have cleared all of coil and I am speaking out of personal experience. Black Mage's rotation is super easy, and you basically don't even have to pay attention. When playing Summoner, you do. Again the logical fallacy that beause I think a job is harder, it must therefore be hard. Such stupidity (I am sorry).

[Sunako]

I did one test today and I did 530 dps with ifrit in 3min dummy fight. With garuda i did 490 dps in 3min. Did not use any pots..

[ViviAnimus]

Three minutes is not enough to accurately say something about high numbers. Summoner damage drastically drops around the 3-4 minute + mark. If you have a 500 DPS parse of 6-7 minutes with your current gear, then I would like to see that. I have checked your gear and I have noticed that your stats are quite optimized.
Here is an actual parse video of me with Summoner and terrible stats for it (555 SS). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9OV8lF4q0

I must ask though, did you hit it with your book? Maybe a lot of critical hits? I would say that it's a really nice parse of yours though.

[Lamia-Blackheart]

for those that are as slow as i am, i took the time to highlight the quote about smn that a previous poster referenced.

"I'm sure the job balance will be greatly adjusted when Heavensward is released, but do you have any jobs that you plan to adjust during the patch 2.5 series?
Y: In particular, I think we need to consider Summoner, but we're still working on the adjustments. Originally, we were planning to add new actions to Summoner with Heavensward to adjust MP consumption. However, since 3.0 is still a ways off, we're thinking about other careful adjustments. As we release each piece of content we see which jobs are too strong or not strong enough. We're also focusing on carefully adjusting things for 3.0, so we'd like to make adjustments as soon as possible, but please wait for a bit longer."

source:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124...=1#post6333229

[Khiry]

for those that are as slow as i am, i took the time to highlight the quote about smn that a previous poster referenced.
"I'm sure the job balance will be greatly adjusted when Heavensward is released, but do you have any jobs that you plan to adjust during the patch 2.5 series?
Y: In particular, I think we need to consider Summoner, but we're still working on the adjustments. Originally, we were planning to add new actions to Summoner with Heavensward to adjust MP consumption. However, since 3.0 is still a ways off, we're thinking about other careful adjustments. As we release each piece of content we see which jobs are too strong or not strong enough. We're also focusing on carefully adjusting things for 3.0, so we'd like to make adjustments as soon as possible, but please wait for a bit longer."

Can we please get an Official Post stating this information already, that is all anyone is asking for.
This is way past riddiculous.

[Sunako]

I test again 7 min 9 sec ifrit did 176 dps caster 341 dps. 517 overall dps. I can save lot mana with very minimal dps loss and I have more mana in party. If i can do max potential dps with auto attack and with spamming ruin2 that not mean i should do it in that way and i did not even do that in my 3 min test.

[scarebearz]

To be honest, I think most summoners are annoyed at going from over-powered to being slighly below-par xD

[Dwill]

To be honest, I think most summoners are annoyed at going from over-powered to being slighly below-par xD

To be honest, I think most Black Mages that were annoyed that movement was/is hard for them are just terrible at managing their procs during movement and the buffs they got made them extremely strong during both single target and AoE scenarios. It's funny how people can be be biased in the name of balance.