Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[ViviAnimus]

Summoners have to do during dots:

Ruin
Fester
Rouse
Spur
Enkindle
Shadow Flare,
Poison Pot
Bane
Micromanagement of pet (aoe) or contagion, movement of the pet ..., HP of the pet, constantly pressing obey if you change target
I might be missing a few things, but Summoner has plenty to do

Summoner should not be a support class since that is the Bard's job. All that Summoner needs is a small buff in potency (Fester must hit a lot harder) and an MP fix.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Summoners have to do during dots:

Ruin
Fester
Rouse
Spur
Enkindle
Shadow Flare,
Poison Pot
Bane
Micromanagement of pet (aoe) or contagion, movement of the pet ..., HP of the pet, constantly pressing obey if you change target
I might be missing a few things, but Summoner has plenty to do

Summoner should not be a support class since that is the Bard's job. All that Summoner needs is a small buff in potency (Fester must hit a lot harder) and an MP fix. No offence, though, but since you apparently don't realise what SMN actually have to do, your idea of support should already be dismissed

Right, so you've been overglorifying Summoner for the past couple of pages now. Don't make it sound like summoners have it exceptionally harder than other classes, even tanks.

Most of the things you've mentioned in there are on off GCD ability-tier that you only use once every one, two or even five minutes: Rouse (60s), Enkindle (300s). Or even very situational: Bane. The are a few things you are consistently doing as summoner: Monitoring your DoTs and monitoring the CDs. If we were to seperate them, everyone's job would suddenly look stupidly complicated:
Bards have
-5 buffs to monitor
-3 DoTs to monitor (includes flaming arrow)
-Straight arrow to maintain
-Procs to maintain
-2 off GCD abilities to use
-One of them requiring close range thus planning whether it's a good time to move in or not
-monitor healer MPs
-monitor their own MP
-Plan whether foe would be worth singing at that point or not
-calculate in their heads when they need to paeon early or not
-mind their positioning considering they're the most mobile and people expect them to move first
-monitor their TP & invigorate

Monks have:
-2 CDs to watch (3 if you include Perfect Balance outside openers)
-3 off GCD damage abilities (4 including mercy stroke)
-Whether they are allowed to stun or not
-keep their stacks up
-keep dragon kick up
-keep twin snakes up
-keep two dots up (even three for those fracture fanatics)
-plan positioning (flanks/back aren't always available, depending on content)
-monitor their TP & invigorate
-use mantra if it's useful anywhere

And the lists can keep going ooon and oooon and oooooon. But no class is nowhere as complicated as any list of any size can make it. With enough practice muscle memory, habits and bias kicks in. The same applies to summoner.

Now I'm not denying they are in dire need of a buff or are hard or easy to play. But they require something far more fundamental: Change pet interactions*. Summoners hardly do anything with their pets. Microing? Please. The amount of microing involves pressing a button on the pet bar once or twice every minute. Or even not at all if you're using the Ifrit-egi. Rouse and Spur? That has barely anything to do with micro-managing pets. It's basically giving them some steroids and you mind your own business again. It's on the same tier as Raging Strikes: Use it ASAP or save it for strategic moments. So what do I think they need: A class overhaul that actually makes them feel more of a pet-based class rather than a caster that comes with a pet that does it's own thing.

*Submitted a suggestion ticket a week or two ago about this. I still have a copy of it if anyone's interested in it's content.

[ViviAnimus]

Snip.

If you would actualy read what I say, then you would realise I have always claimed that no job is hard on this game, I even claimed that healing is imo harder than DPS including SMN. Selective reading much?
Bard is a very easy class to play, there is no disscussion about that. Monk is also very easy to play, actually, people always make it seem as if it's rocket science.
Yes, I agree that everything is muscle memory, and that every class is easy, I have said this several times. But Summoner is more complex than Black Mage, by far.
I do find it laughable how you use my examples as if to show that it's intricate. I just demonstrated that they have a lot more to do but ruin during their dots (please read).

Also, managing more cooldowns and such, or posotionals as a MNK do not make a class harder than another class. Summoner is in my opinion still more intricate than most because of the dot clipping while managing the rest. It's more a reactive class rather than a muscle memory class. That's what makes it (imo) more challenging than any other ranged DPS at least.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

If you would actualy read what I say, then you would realise I have always claimed that no job is hard on this game, I even claimed that healing is imo harder than DPS including SMN. Selective reading much?
Bard is a very easy class to play, there is no disscussion about that. Monk is also very easy to play, actually, people always make it seem as if it's rocket science.
Yes, I agree that everything is muscle memory, and that every class is easy, I have said this several times. But Summoner is more complex than Black Mage, by far.
I do find it laughable how you use my examples as if to show that it's intricate. I just demonstrated that they have a lot more to do but ruin during their dots (please read).

Here you go again. For the past pages, you've been saying "no class is hard" repeatedly. Meanwhile further into the post you're saying summoner is harder. You're contradicting yourself and not using all the facts. In previous posts you've been repeatedly been using weird examples that involves "complexity": Bane, Enkindle, "pet micro". In my previous post you would have read that:
Bane is situational. It's not something you use all the time.
Enkindle is only once every 300 seconds at quickest. How is this complex in any way?
"Pet micro" involves pressing a single button for contagion. Unlike scholar fairies, you don't spam that embrace button.

And again, you're comparing it to Black mage with summoner being "more complex". Elaborate, how is it more complex? Keep DoTs up? Every job does that. Use buffs ASAP? Every job does that. "Pet Micro" for a button you have to press once every minute? You'll get this much from me. Your demonstration of "more to do but ruin" is nowhere impressive. Whatever you listed there applies to every single job as well. It's not summoner exclusive, it's not what makes summoner hard. So stop overglorifying it as "hard job". You're saying it's not, but between the lines you're repeatedly saying it is bycomparing it to other classes (black mage mainly).

[Wizarus]

Summoners have to do during dots:

Ruin
Fester
Rouse
Spur
Enkindle
Shadow Flare,
Poison Pot
Bane
Micromanagement of pet (aoe) or contagion, movement of the pet ..., HP of the pet, constantly pressing obey if you change target
I might be missing a few things, but Summoner has plenty to do

Summoner should not be a support class since that is the Bard's job. All that Summoner needs is a small buff in potency (Fester must hit a lot harder) and an MP fix. No offence, though, but since you apparently don't realise what SMN actually have to do, your idea of support should already be dismissed

With all due respect thats not really doing much at all. Fester is pressing a button 12 seconds and then wating for a 1 minute cooldown to expire. Rouse is pressing a a button every 60 seconds, Spur 120, and youll be lucky to see Enkindle more than twice if that. Its not doing much of anything while Dots are applied. Shadowflare and Poison Pot are a part of Dot rotation. Don't know why you metioned Bane.

Contagion is used right at the end of Dot rotation, and if anything its part of what Im talkng about since you still are doing nothing but Ruin while Dot timers are extended. The only real thing you do is micro pet so it doesnt die to AOE, but those instances are so specific because 1) Most people use Garuda in those situations, and 2) Garuda will rarely ever be those types of situation, and if she is, you should not have to do more than press heel.

The fact that Ruin + auto attack makes up over 20% of your DPS, means that at least 20% of the time you're doing nothing but waiting until Dots are up and this isn't factoring your pet doing doing 25~30% of your DPS permanantly, with next to no effort on your part.

And this is kinda off topic but there is only one class which is needed in all noteworthy content, that is Bard. It shouldnt be their job to be the only support class in the game needed in every content, it's a design flaw.