Abuse/Vote-kick in CM

[Ellatrix]

If I see someone SB on my time, I tell them to change gear or get kicked. Go SB at Urth's, don't waste my time in a dungeon.

No, it isn't vote kick abuse. You're abusing the group by intentionally gimping yourself.

[ChameleonMS]

If I see someone SB on my time, I tell them to change gear or get kicked. Go SB at Urth's, don't waste my time in a dungeon.

No, it isn't vote kick abuse. You're abusing the group by intentionally gimping yourself.

And which of the "dismiss-able" reason does wearing "inferior" gear violate?
AFK - definitely not, the person is playing
Offline - definitely not, the person is playing
Harassment - a weak maybe at best. definition of Harassment: "the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands." The spirit of the rule is define an abusive action being inflicted.
Cheating - definitely not.

Thus, kicking someone for wearing "inferior" gear is definitely abusing the system.

[Ellatrix]

And which of the "dismiss-able" reason does wearing "inferior" gear violate?
AFK - definitely not, the person is playing
Offline - definitely not, the person is playing
Harassment - a weak maybe at best. definition of Harassment: "the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands." The spirit of the rule is define an abusive action being inflicted.
Cheating - definitely not.

Thus, kicking someone for wearing "inferior" gear is definitely abusing the system.

Everything can fall under 'harassment'. There is only one abuse case - to explicitly want to deny that person loot so you kick them. Everything else, if the majority of the party doesn't want you there, well too bad! Maybe you shouldn't have been doing whatever you were doing that got you kicked.

[Zedd702]

Everything can fall under 'harassment'.

LOL @this comment.

Please explain how wearing class/dungeon ilvl req appropriate gear is by any means harassment?

I'd really like to hear this... *continues to eat lunch and waits the reply*

EDIT: Oh and before you reply Ellatrix, keep in mind that this is not about coils/raids, but dungeons...

[Ellatrix]

LOL @this comment.

Please explain how wearing class/dungeon ilvl req appropriate gear is by any means harassment?

I'd really like to hear this... *continues to eat lunch and waits the reply*

EDIT: Oh and before you reply Ellatrix, keep in mind that this is not about coils/raids, but dungeons...

You are making a decision to slow the run down to benefit yourself at the expense of others. That's a pretty clear cut case of justified vote kick.

You are not entitled to do whatever you want in a group setting, where your actions affect others. This is exactly what vote kick is for.

[LunaHoshino]

You are making a decision to slow the run down to benefit yourself at the expense of others. That's a pretty clear cut case of justified vote kick.

You are not entitled to do whatever you want in a group setting, where your actions affect others. This is exactly what vote kick is for.

So by your logic, all fresh 50s in level-appropriate gear should also be booted for slowing down the run. No new players allowed, i120 or bust.

[Ellatrix]

So by your logic, all fresh 50s in level-appropriate gear should also be booted for slowing down the run. No new players allowed, i120 or bust.

People really need to stop using the word "logic" when they have no idea how to apply it. Educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propositional_logic

Also no, a new player is not making the decision to slow down the run by downgrading their gear because they have nothing better to use.

[Sapphic]

You are making a decision to slow the run down to benefit yourself at the expense of others. That's a pretty clear cut case of justified vote kick.

"Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).
To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)."

Think thats the relevant quote. If rest of the party request the other to change to relevant gear and they refuse then it is a justifiable use of the vote-kick function.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

You are making a decision to slow the run down to benefit yourself at the expense of others. That's a pretty clear cut case of justified vote kick.

You are not entitled to do whatever you want in a group setting, where your actions affect others. This is exactly what vote kick is for.

How do you prove intent?

[Dererk]

The only real problem is people spirit bonding cafting gear not crated gear CRAFTING GEAR that gives no boost what so ever maybe if it was only one piece of crafting gear but over 2 NO SIR GOOD GOD NO. At lest be courteous and use something that has at lest 1 stat that would benefit you WITHOUT MATIREA on it. Other wise no vote kicking them just fine.

And yes I know wer at the point well way past the point where good weapons can make up for it but still no not in DF its not cool to make others go through that if there's even one person who doesn't want you to do it. I will always be that person by the way.