New tank perspective, my apologies to established TNKs I've met B4

[Eye_Gore]

That moment when you're a "good tank" but have not cleared scob, doesn't have either tank less job 1 acheives.

Really wished lodestone showed your tank gear set, all got to see what a crafter :/

Just because someone doesn't do coil doesn't make them a bad tank. I consider myself a "good" tank (not a great tank thats only reserved for coil it seems). Some people myself included will probably never touch coil, doesn't make them bad at the game. I have fun at what I do and that is all that matters.

[Blueskyy]

Just because someone doesn't do coil doesn't make them a bad tank. I consider myself a "good" tank (not a great tank thats only reserved for coil it seems). Some people myself included will probably never touch coil, doesn't make them bad at the game. I have fun at what I do and that is all that matters.

You'll be surprised how much you improve as a tank once you go into end game content. Tho i would say you might be good in tanking dungeons and stuff but once you step into the world of end game raid. You'll be back to being a beginner.

PS. To prevent history from repeating. I'll make it clear that I have nothing against those who are uninterested in playing Coil. Like what monochromicorn said. If you don't even have one tankless job acheives in any of the 2 tank jobs. I consider you as a "good" casual tank who can tank dungeons but raids/primals are different man. Way different especially end game raids.

[Eye_Gore]

I consider you as a "good" casual tank who can tank dungeons but raids/primals are different man.

Like my geometry teach told us back in school. You can ace this class, but if you don't do your homework assignments your final grade will only be an 88. Really? 88 is good enough for me.

Its a good thing the raids/primals are a different man, as I prefer women.

[LionKing]

In my perspective, a "good" tank simply is the tank that can hold aggro, can survive multiple and big hits as well as the ability to pop CD for the time in need as well as controlling their disposal (including TP management).

A tank that never tanking Coil is just a good tank in general. A Tank that has stepped into Coil and clears is a SKILLED tank. So there is a different between a good tank and a skilled tank.

[Blueskyy]

Like my geometry teach told us back in school. You can ace this class, but if you don't do your homework assignments your final grade will only be an 88. Really? 88 is good enough for me.

Its a good thing the raids/primals are a different man, as I prefer women.

Well sorry for my bad english then. As long as you're happy while playing it doesn't matter if you're good or skilled. Just keep an open heart to learn

[SpookyGhost]

This isn't the only MMO. This also isn't a hard game. You don't need to do Coil to understand simple tank concepts, like when to mitigate, how to pick up adds, how to not stand in death, how to tank swap, etc. You can even learn all of that in Titan EX if you haven't already. Unless someone has FCoB gear before the lockout is removed, then it's a mystery as to whether they're a good tank or not - but it takes all of one pull to see if someone knows what they're doing. I think it's wise to start by not judging a tank's experience before the first pull and then see how good they are from there.

Also, end game raiding as a tank isn't as complicated as some people make it out to be. If you can do Garuda EX MT or Titan EX OT then you can do any FCoB turn.

[VargasVermillion]

I genuinely believe anyone can do any content in this game if they really want to, it's not as out of reach as some people believe, gameplay wise anyway. It's all about learning the mechanics, as for how your job/role works you should generally learn that in early endgame anyway.

[Mykll]

What do the two tanking achs have to do with being a good/great tank? You can get that only running Garuda Extreme and / or Coil 1 Turn 1. I know the limitations of my internet (not my gear, not my skill) so I have not completed Titan Extreme or Coil 1 Turn 5. Extremely rarely do I attempt it. It is just not worth the frustrations, and what my lag does to the group as a whole. I would rather not get carried. And, yes, I have both Lion and Bear mounts.

You can't make a blanket statement that it is always one role's fault. There is a lot that each role can do, in order to help the group. Tanks can keep rotating targets, or not waking up sleepers, DPS can follow what the tank Provokes or Shield Lob / Tomahawk first, or hold back DPS if they about to take it, or BLM / WHM AOE / single target sleep to help a new struggling tank.

[Yukariko]

/mk Triangle
/focustarget
/ac "Target Forward"
/mk attack2 <t>
/ac "Target Forward"
/mk attack3 <t>
/target <f>
/mk attack1 <f>

Now you can mark 1-2-3 targets in less than a second while on the move.

OMG thank you, I'm gonna set that up when when I'm next on.

[Lethallin]

I'll try to break this up into a few sections.

While leveling, I feel it's part of your job as a tank to have good gear. Really, the tanks gear is the most important to the success or failure of a group. It doesn't matter how good you are if you're the tank and wearing a DPS level 15 necklace, no other accessories, and NQ level 23 DRG gear in Brayflox (This actually happens). If you have even passable gear, you should be able to keep aggro on everything if you keep on your toes and watch for HP drops. If you can't handle holding everything, then use the marking system, and if the DPS ignore them, that's their own problem. They either feel like they can tank that mob themselves (at least as long as it would take for them to kill it) or they just weren't paying attention. Not everyone needs to use it, so there will always be differing opinions.

In high level dungeons, when you're just starting out your gearing as a tank, this is the only place where you should really have trouble keeping hate from fully geared DPSers. However, at that point, unless you're pulling multiple groups, a DPS geared enough to rip aggro from you should be able to practically solo a non-boss enemy. Just let them have it. If they give you crap, give them crap right back for not paying attention to their threat. On bosses, just do everything you can to out threat them. Unless you're ilvl 50 and they're full 110, you still should be able to hold it if you're playing at your max potential.

If high level dungeons where you're well geared, you shouldn't ever have problems holding threat. OP spam/SC/Flash as a War, Circle/Flash etc as a Paladin, and nothing should reach your threat even if they're single targetting something you're just AoE threatting before it dies. Mark if you still have problems, but if you are, you may want to do some research in how to better hold AoE mob packs.

Just my two cents. If a DPS manages to ride my threat when I'm tanking, I immediately regard them as a player that's good and knows how to DPS, not some braindead doofus mashing buttons. Because it's nice to see that threat bar of theirs fill up so fast compared to the bard that doesn't use dots or the Ninja that never uses Huton who I can barely even see their threat bar.