Alliance que/partial alliance que

[DividedSky]

Please allow the ability to que with an alliance/partial alliance. Tonight we gathered 24 people only to realized we could not que together as a team... as friends.... Alliance queing needs to be added. We all qued at the same time only to be dissapointed yet again that we did not all get into the same match.

[PotatoTree]

Although it would be fun, this would not be at all fair to the other 2 alliances. Premades absolutely destroy in frontlines. I have gone like 95%+ winrate with my premade. You literally cannot lose until you face another good premade.

So if they were to do this, it would have to be premades against premades.

[DividedSky]

So you are saying that people aren't allowed to group together because its not fair? Then they should remove party queing all together but that would make it so anti-social. That would be rediculous. This is an MMO you should allow people to do things together or they're not going to want to do them at all. Wolves den DIED because of that mentality. SE catered to it... and it killed the den. Even when people were getting completely facerolled in wolves den the ques were still really fast and people kept doing it... yeah people got mad b/c they lost... but they still qued... Now no one ques because everything has been separated into... noobs here... premades here... and no one knows which to que for anymore so ques are INSANELY slow so no one does it at all. On top of that they added a matching system that even matched ranked to make it even more fair..... this is where the "fair" path you are describing leads and it kills pvp.

[Atreus]

There are already people that try to sync multiple parties into a FL queue. I can't say I've seen anyone quitting PvP because they couldn't queue as an alliance. Regardless of how much sway strong premades have, alliances may have a negative impact on the queue times for those who are of the same GC. I'm pretty sure that's the primary reason it is not allowed currently.

Side note: You uh, have it a lil backwards about Wolves' Den btw. It phased out initially because of certain job imbalances. It then phased out some more because morale was a broken stat, which caused further decline because new healers were crushed into never queuing again. The only ones who stuck around were a small bunch of strong-willed, die-hard PvP'ers.

[DividedSky]

Eh, thats now how I saw it go down. I didn't see it die until they added all the balance and fairness in rank etc. Maybe it was a combination of both of what we are talking about and we just see it differently. But i thought pvp was doing just fine even when it was not balanced based on skill/rank etc.

However, i do agree with you... people wont quit because they can't join in an alliance and with more friends... but they would be happier if they could non-the-less. Happy people play more. Going with friends makes people happy. Its also easier to lose with friends because you can joke about it. When you lose alone you just get upset and have no where to vent and its miserable.

ALSO, if you can que with more people and friends you have more people with whom you can discuss things that went wrong and change the next round.. making you and everyone better over time.

[PotatoTree]

So you are saying that people aren't allowed to group together because its not fair?

This is not PvE. This is PvP, an inherently more competitive environment. People do stop queueing because they are getting roflstomped. Wolves den died not because of the queuing structure, but because morale was broken, there were not enough rewards, and it lost critical mass needed to keep the queues going.

[DividedSky]

Eh ok, i'll just keep timing ques with our teams and quing at the same time and hoping to get into the same match.

[PotatoTree]

Eh ok, i'll just keep timing ques with our teams and quing at the same time and hoping to get into the same match.

Of course you can do that. All I'm saying is that if it was made a game feature where it guaranteed my party would be queued with another, I would never lose lol. I'm for it all the way cause I'm on the winning side, but I don't think it would be healthy for PvP in the long run.

[Atreus]

I'm actually not really for or against it. I'm all for the challenge of facing multiple premades, it's just the queues I'm concerned about.

[Atreus]

Of course you can do that. All I'm saying is that if it was made a game feature where it guaranteed my party would be queued with another, I would never lose lol. I'm for it all the way cause I'm on the winning side, but I don't think it would be healthy for PvP in the long run.

cough... and how many times have we been with other premades and they didn't hold their end of the bargain?