Alliance que/partial alliance que

[DividedSky]

cough... and how many times have we been with other premades and they didn't hold their end of the bargain?

It happens a lot... pre-mades are not the be-all end-all win no matter what that you guys are making them out to be. I only made the suggestion because we ran into a situation where my linksell has 24 ppl that wanted to pvp.. and it did not let us pvp together.. we ultimately all got split up because of a few things that are broken with the current system. 1. No alliance que. 2. one person missed the pop because they fell asleep (so the whole party got punished and not just that one person ..big problem...... and 3. even when we tried to time it it only pulled one party in and the other 2 got split off into a separate que. We all did maybe 2 matches then stopped queing because it was too much of a hassle to keep waiting for the other team and timing ques together just to be split up anyways.

Note: Even in the pre-made that i'm talking about right now only maybe 4-5 of us are rank 45... everyone else is still leveling up. Its nearly impossible to get a premade of all rank 45s like the ones were talking about that would "guarantee" wins. I really don't think it would be all that unfair with the current system it would just allow friends to play together more.

[Atreus]

You're right, I'm not saying they are. Most premades are just pugs that are already friends. The illustration you're giving is kind of what I mean though. Other people are queuing in too trying to get a match. Most of that separation with your alliance is because those other guys were queued in first. If it just kept giving your alliance matches because you're all ready to go, then those other guys never get a match. Conversely, if the other guys queue up first, it may keep trying to fill their alliance and neither one of you will get a match.

RE:Note: Nah it's really not uncommon on our datacenter. Momo here is on my team of all 45's and we know of a few premades on other GC's that are frequent fliers as well.

[DividedSky]

You're right, I'm not saying they are. Most premades are just pugs that are already friends. The illustration you're giving is kind of what I mean though. Other people are queuing in too trying to get a match. Most of that separation with your alliance is because those other guys were queued in first. If it just kept giving your alliance matches because you're all ready to go, then those other guys never get a match. Conversely, if the other guys queue up first, it may keep trying to fill their alliance and neither one of you will get a match.

I agree, this goes back to my thread i started about changing how the que system works. There needs to be a battle board you can walk up to and pick what match you want to join. The randomness and automation is fantastic for PVE content but its really not the best for PVP.

[Atreus]

I agree, this goes back to my thread i started about changing how the que system works. There needs to be a battle board you can walk up to and pick what match you want to join. The randomness and automation is fantastic for PVE content but its really not the best for PVP.

Got me there. I wouldn't mind that at all.

[AntiSocialPanda]

The problem is: Square thinks pvp needs to be 100% fair, which it doesnt, it just needs to be balanced. Premades are a thing, they happen, its not such a big deal. Its not impossible to beat a premade so I dont see the problem.

[DividedSky]

The problem is: Square thinks pvp needs to be 100% fair, which it doesnt, it just needs to be balanced. Premades are a thing, they happen, its not such a big deal. Its not impossible to beat a premade so I dont see the problem.

Its not square that thinks that. Its the players lol. Have you read these forums? These people cry about everything if they can't hang.

[Atreus]

Like I said. I don't think it's a fairness issue. It's more than likely a queuing issue.

[AntiSocialPanda]

Its not square that thinks that. Its the players lol. Have you read these forums? These people cry about everything if they can't hang.

True. I just recently started playing again so I wasnt here for all the raging but I can imagine.

[Zagam]

Separate it like wolves den, either premade or solo queue, allowing premades into pug parties is idiotic. But then I doubt most will join premades, there are very very few players out there that want to fight, most of these premades just want easy cheap wins for glamour.

[Atreus]

Separate it like wolves den, either premade or solo queue, allowing premades into pug parties is idiotic. But then I doubt most will join premades, there are very very few players out there that want to fight, most of these premades just want easy cheap wins for glamour.

Long as they bring in 8-man Wolves' Den soon, they can do whatever they want with Frontline!