Make relics the best weapons 100% time

[Thistledown]

I have always laughed at people who said the relics were for casuals because it didn't take skill.

No. Casuals are casuals because we don't have TIME to gain the skill necessary to clear top contents. So what do the devs bring to the table? Something that will take MORE time to get!

Makes so much sense.

[Dargondarkfire]

I have always laughed at people who said the relics were for casuals because it didn't take skill.

No. Casuals are casuals because we don't have TIME to gain the skill necessary to clear top contents. So what do the devs bring to the table? Something that will take MORE time to get!

Makes so much sense.

the relic takes, time luck and skill.

[Skeith-Adeline]

the relic takes, time luck and skill.

The relic requires nothing more than being able to press buttons. 0 skill now is required for these items.

[Deathscythe343]

The relic requires nothing more than being able to press buttons. 0 skill now is required for these items.

Isn't that essentially the same thing raids take?

[Skeith-Adeline]

Fighting Sarcasm with Sarcasm lol

[Rhas]

the problem is... the "grinding" way isn't really for casuals. I don't think casuals want to spend too much times doing those boring stuffs.

Even non casuals don't want to do it either Only people I have found that ever liked grinding like that play korean grindfest MMO's ;P

[Dervy]

if they did that then no1 would raid.. yoshi stated that a whiles back relics will always be 2nd best weapons in game behind raid weapons

See where you're going with this and I agree with what you said. However, there's one thing you need to remember:

Zodiac Questline resumes in 3.1. If the Zodiac weapon line, AKA our current Relics are continuing, I can assure you these weapons will be continuously recrafted and remelded throughout the lifetime of this game. Now assume you need to have the 2.51 relic in order too start the 3.1 quest.

Now think about it in another 3 years. The playerbase may of doubled and maybe 1/4 of the current existing players have of quit. There's already a small percentage as it is with current zodiac weapons.

In the years, Relics will literally be relics, as only such a small percentage of the playerbase will actually have them and would've went through the trouble of going through all of the relic stages all throughout the years and expansion packs. They have the right to own the "ultimate weapon of all time" if they've been going through that for years.

[Lemuria]

They have the right to own the "ultimate weapon of all time" if they've been going through that for years.

It could unlock the achievement "Veteran Masochist"... and then be superseded by the next updates new ilvl 250 weapons.

Anyway, best or no... there's only one thing I want out of Excalibur once I've finally completed the HELL that is relic upgrading. That one simple thing is uniqueness. Not merely appearance, but there needs to be something this sword can do which no other can do. A unique skill it grants, a TP regenerating skill, heck boosted enmity for every strike for all I care. SOMETHING needs to be special about it besides the billions of materia melded onto its worthless carapace.

What that thing is, I leave to the developers... but I, and I'm sure many others, will be sorely disappointed if SE fails to deliver on its final upgrade.

[Intaki]

I have always laughed at people who said the relics were for casuals because it didn't take skill.

No. Casuals are casuals because we don't have TIME to gain the skill necessary to clear top contents. So what do the devs bring to the table? Something that will take MORE time to get!

Makes so much sense.

How much time you have to play has little to do with being casual or not. I've been friends with WoW progression raiders whose guilds were in the NA top 250; most of them played little more than an average of an hour per day every week.

[Asael]

How much time you have to play has little to do with being casual or not.

lol no, it doesn't have little to do with being casual or not, it has almost EVERYTHING to do with being casual or not. The very definition of a casual gamer is someone who is non-committed and plays in short bursts at a time. Because of that they never gain the experience to be a proficient player concerning difficult content. Lack of "skill" is sometimes just a subsequent consequence. Hell, the very definition of the word casual itself that forms the phrase means to be irregular, not permanent, or a non regular. As in some who does something irregularly.

Concerning your WoW friends, by definition that is still casual. There is such a thing as casual raiders. Hence why it's just silly to always directly associate casual with non-skilled.