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  1. #61
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    In all seriousness - you probably could get an alexandrite doing fates during the 20 minutes you're waiting to enter one of the three new expert dungeons. Thus - it's like an expert roulette without a treasure map. Even if you didn't - it's a three day setback. You'll survive - and I'm sure you'll more than make up for it with the increased fate drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zooters View Post
    But you don't have to use your Animus for the daily quest. You can use ANY weapon or ANY job. It doesn't matter you're doing for the relic quest, so this is a null point. Also, everything builds to the final weapon not just the Novus. Doesn't matter if that's where you want to stop it or not, but the new Experts are not beyond you, especially if you're going for a relic weapon. New dungeons were a breeze to get through and unlock. I went in with full blind parties on all three and we cleared them. They are no more difficult than the last set of Expert dungeons. Using the exact same gear now as just a few days ago, by the way.
    Very true, I was running 2.4 with my conqueror for it. I meant for newer players who didn't get the 110-115 weapons, itll be hard
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobbinT View Post
    You seem to forget about new players.
    Who probably don't have the quest far enough for this to be an issue, and IF they do have the quest far enough then they just as easily coild have Shiva unlocked and have gotten a 115 weapon from her. This situation with the weapons in this thread in no way negates the other content as a viable means of upgrading. It's ridiculous to assume they aren't perusing other weapons that are CONSIDERABLY easier to obtain and if they aren't then that is a burder they must bear due to personal decisions they themselves made.

    ... and sorry. I'm afraid it's really... really NOT. lol
    When you literally can use any job or class that you want it is. The player has more than enough power to choose a better equipped class, or pick a better weapon for these runs. You're making excuses for people being what? Too lazy to do anything but the hardest, longest, and slowest weapon quest in the game as their singular and only option for upgrading their weapon? That's utterly ridiculous. The players have options. It is unacceptable to argue the point while acting like those other options don't exist. No one is forced to do this quest, and in that vein no one is forced to do it the hardest possible way. At some point players are forced to take personal responsibility for how they spend their time in game, and if they do it in a deliberately ineffective and sub-optimal way then that is on them. Not for the game developers to spoon feed it easier.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford View Post
    In all seriousness - you probably could get an alexandrite doing fates during the 20 minutes you're waiting to enter one of the three new expert dungeons. Thus - it's like an expert roulette without a treasure map. Even if you didn't - it's a three day setback. You'll survive - and I'm sure you'll more than make up for it with the increased fate drops.
    This is the point I was trying to make earlier in this thread. The quest is not even necessarily the best method to obtain Alexandrites anymore.
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    Last edited by Tiggy; 01-23-2015 at 06:17 AM.

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    He spelt "Facetious" wrong lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    Where we had a daily guaranteed Alex, it is now locked behind new dungeons that take time to learn mechanics & to clear. That just seems like a simple oversight on SE's part & not riot material you all are making it out to be if they take this into account.
    It is not harder than the first day of 2.4 was.
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    yes but just to unlock the main source for getting i100
    you need to be at the very least i80

    so what about all those people that just hit 50?
    what are they supposed to do?
    run brayflox 300 times?
    spend like 20 mil buying a full set of crafted 70/90?
    do hunts? welp, better have fast load times and a server not populated with a bunch of stupid kids that don't pull early

    the gap is too goddamn big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aisustrong View Post
    yes but just to unlock the main source for getting i100
    you need to be at the very least i80

    so what about all those people that just hit 50?
    what are they supposed to do?
    run brayflox 300 times?
    spend like 20 mil buying a full set of crafted 70/90?
    do hunts? welp, better have fast load times and a server not populated with a bunch of stupid kids that don't pull early

    the gap is too goddamn big.
    This weapon wouldn't there first choice in this scenario. At no point was the relic weapon the casual or fast way to gear up. New players like all players are expected to do the story and do primals for weapons. Why do you think the hardest grindiest weapon is there first choice or most obvious choice? Even if the context is that they take too long for a new player to catch up then I'd have to point to all the nerfs each step before the current final step has had already.

    Please try to remember that the relic is optional with plenty of alternative means to get upgraded weapons.
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    Last edited by Tiggy; 01-23-2015 at 07:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
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    I'm sorry, but what I read from your post is something that I call "hardcore-idiocy". It seems clear to me that you didn't grasp how does ppl do with their RL, nor the range of age-wise that could affect how ppl deal with their leisures.

    And "Who probably don't have the quest far enough for this to be an issue, and IF they do have the quest far enough then they just as easily coild have Shiva unlocked and have gotten a 115 weapon from her."???

    My god, woman! You're quoting my 1st sentence and didn't even read the rest of the lines? Are you blind or something?

    And "When you literally can use any job or class that you want it is. "?
    Won't those ppl need to level other jobs 1st?

    And "lazy"? I really felt ashamed for you who clearly doesn't even understand the word. Felt like talking to a kid trying to get smart.

    And that last quote you're using? Have you even tried to prove that yet? Cause I did it myself earlier, and not a single alex dropped for half hour farming, which I coincidentally did while queuing for T5 to help another LS mate that need the clears. As I have posted earlier: RNG is RNG! If you like poker game so much then have at it, cause not everyone else shares your sentiment and willing to waste their resources for some random crap.

    Kid, learn you fact straight before you try to continue debating this, since this is utterly an embarrassment effort and I truly feel ashamed reading it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aisustrong View Post
    yes but just to unlock the main source for getting i100
    you need to be at the very least i80

    so what about all those people that just hit 50?
    what are they supposed to do?
    run brayflox 300 times?
    spend like 20 mil buying a full set of crafted 70/90?
    do hunts? welp, better have fast load times and a server not populated with a bunch of stupid kids that don't pull early

    the gap is too goddamn big.
    The fresh 50 gap is an ENTIRELY different problem than getting alex from an expert roulette. Why is the 4k hp pld worried about alexandrite? He's gotta go beat Ifrit hm 1st. Devs have expressed concern a few times about the new player gap because any game with vertical progression will bump into that problem. No 8 Dea how people are weaving Mr AF dragoon into a discussion about expert roulettes and upgrading a weapon they can't have even started yet.
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    I'd honestly be more upset if Morbid Motivation was suddenly made high level roulette. Pre 2.4 lvl 50 dungeons were absolutely no fun at all and I'd be furious if I have to rerun the "expert dungeons" from 2 or 3 patches ago. Not to mention I would have just DONE most of those dungeons for my animus book.
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