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  1. #51
    Player kidvideo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    It is entirely unrealistic to think your 1 or 2 days is so important as to completely negate their reasoning for using it on expert roulette. These dungeons will be around for 4 months. 2 days of unlocks is trivial.
    It is not unrealistic, troll. Good for you, speeding through content. Not everyone does that.

    Where we had a daily guaranteed Alex, it is now locked behind new dungeons that take time to learn mechanics & to clear. That just seems like a simple oversight on SE's part & not riot material you all are making it out to be if they take this into account.

    Increasing drop rate for Alex in fates or seal rewards from hunts do nothing for us if we're spending available game time clearing dungeons to unlock the rearranged roulette.

    If SE allowed the Morbid quest to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5, if would not negatively impact anyone's game play what so ever.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    It is not unrealistic, troll. Good for you, speeding through content. Not everyone does that.
    Someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a troll.

    Where we had a daily guaranteed Alex, it is now locked behind new dungeons that take time to learn mechanics & to clear. That just seems like a simple oversight on SE's part & not riot material you all are making it out to be if they take this into account.
    It seems like the people raising hue and cry about having to unlock again are the ones making it into riot material.

    Increasing drop rate for Alex in fates or seal rewards from hunts do nothing for us if we're spending available game time clearing dungeons to unlock the rearranged roulette.
    It took all of an hour, maybe an hour and a half at most to unlock the roulette again.

    After you invest that time, you can go grind some fates or hunts. Bonus!

    If SE allowed the Morbid quest to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5, if would not negatively impact anyone's game play what so ever.
    They do allow it to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5. Right after you unlock it again.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a troll.

    They do allow it to be completed daily after a patch like 2.5. Right after you unlock it again.
    You're added to the list & you're reply was facetious.
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  4. #54
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    Love the idea new content is needed for expert. It gets old running the same stuff everyday for my Alex map. It keeps the game fresh and fun to play. At 73/75 melds in my quest for my Sasuke's Blades. I'll continue to do alex maps daily although I'm not sure if I have the energy to start another relic any time soon.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 01-23-2015 at 02:43 AM.

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    I must be the only person who hasn't noticed any increase in Alex drop rates for Fates. They still seem to be about as common as flying pigs, so it's not exactly an enticing thought to go Fate grinding once again given how amazingly painful the Atma grind was.

    My first instinct on hearing the change was to go crazy on farming them. It didn't go well.

    For me, the problem is more a mechanical one. Forget the time it takes to re-unlock the extreme roulette, that's immaterial imo. We're talking about dungeons which require decent gear. Yes yes, we know the minimum is a paltry 90, but realistically if you want to do well you need far superior gear than that. Anyone in pure level 90 is basically just a moving target.

    Well, Animus is a level 100 weapon. It's not a great piece of hardware... in fact, I daresay it's an eyesore until its upgraded to Novus. They're constantly raising the bar on dungeons with each patch, making your basic requirements that much higher too just to get an OLD piece of junk weapon. It's outdated even in its final form, but why they constantly need to raise the bar on old content I'll never understand.

    But my main gripe is how stupidly silly the HM roulette has gotten. We're now at, what, 15 dungeons for one roulette? By the time Heavensward is done will we be at Twenty? Thirty? Just how many is 'too many'? Will we eventually need ilvl 140 just to ENTER the extreme mode dungeons for our measly level 110 Novus? You see the problem this trend is setting now? Remember, Hullbreaker Isle used to be an Extreme mode dungeon before it moved onto Sastasha HM and its ilk.

    I don't like the pattern they're following. It doesn't bode well for future expansions and updates, and it sure isn't fun to constantly see our upgrades pushed back every update.
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    I agree with the OP post, Especially now that 2.5 dropped. It would be hard for a player to keep hate, heal, or dps to the numbers expected when most people have their ilvl 110-125 running the new content, and your thrown into a roulette with your animus. I would agree they should change the quest to the Hard roulette, so the highest runs you end up doing for your map would be Qarn HM, where your poetry gear will make up for the lack of a average weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    But my main gripe is how stupidly silly the HM roulette has gotten. We're now at, what, 15 dungeons for one roulette? By the time Heavensward is done will we be at Twenty? Thirty? Just how many is 'too many'? Will we eventually need ilvl 140 just to ENTER the extreme mode dungeons for our measly level 110 Novus?

    I don't like the pattern they're following. It doesn't bode well for future expansions and updates, and it sure isn't fun to constantly see our upgrades pushed back every update.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    I agree with the OP post, Especially now that 2.5 dropped. It would be hard for a player to keep hate, heal, or dps to the numbers expected when most people have their ilvl 110-125 running the new content, and your thrown into a roulette with your animus.
    exactly, the level disparity is just too large at this point
    they need to break up high roulette into 2 maybe even 3 parts
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    Quote Originally Posted by aisustrong View Post
    exactly, the level disparity is just too large at this point
    they need to break up high roulette into 2 maybe even 3 parts
    But you don't have to use your Animus for the daily quest. You can use ANY weapon or ANY job. It doesn't matter you're doing for the relic quest, so this is a null point. Also, everything builds to the final weapon not just the Novus. Doesn't matter if that's where you want to stop it or not, but the new Experts are not beyond you, especially if you're going for a relic weapon. New dungeons were a breeze to get through and unlock. I went in with full blind parties on all three and we cleared them. They are no more difficult than the last set of Expert dungeons. Using the exact same gear now as just a few days ago, by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    It is not unrealistic, troll.
    I'm sorry but at what point did 2 days of effort require a change that effects 4 months? That's not trolling. That's me looking at you saying very specifically that this is a giant waste of time and your reasoning is poor. Disagreeing with you does not make me a troll. This forum is not an echo chamber. Everyone is not required to completely agree with you lest they be called a troll by some random kid on the internet.

    You're asking them to make a change for a reason that is minuscule and forgotten in a few days after the patch. It isn't worth even 1 second of dev time. It isn't worth removing incentives to run expert roulette once your poe cap is done which is the primary reason it was put expert roulette to begin. A feature you CONVENIENTLY ignored. A feature that keeps the expert roulette popping fast even at the end of the week when most people have finished poe farming already. Your "fix" completely and utterly ignores any and all side effects of the swap and that's why its a poor solution. It fails to consider all parts of the scenario to instead focus on one specific and temporally insignificant change which would instead contribute to the expert roulette having longer queue times by the end of the week. A problem that won't just last a few days like the one this thread is about. It would be a problem that lasts for four whole months or more. Making it a far bigger issue than your silly day or two without the roulette.

    I am not a troll. A troll just posts to cause problems. I have reasons which I just laid out. I simply disagree with you and you can't handle that so you lash out with names like troll. Needs more deal with it. This isn't your echo chamber. I am not your yes man.

    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    You're added to the list & you're reply was facetious.
    Ohhhh nooooo. The list!

    Seriously kid is this supposed to mean something? Is he punished now? Also, his reply wasn't facetious.Let me help you with a definition.

    fa·ce·tious
    fəˈsēSHəs/Submit
    adjective
    treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
    See the prereq for being facetious requires this to be a serious issue. It isn't. You're assuming it is because it's a big deal to you however minuscule amount of posts saying this is an issue would argue otherwise. You're giving the issue a degree of over importance and assuming it's a big enough deal to even be a topic worthy of being facetious about. It took literally less than an hour to unlock all three dungeons. It is in no way a big deal. If you didn't have the time to unlock them then you barely had the time to even run the dungeon anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zooters View Post
    You can use ANY weapon or ANY job. It doesn't matter you're doing for the relic quest, so this is a null point.
    Exactly. It is a moot point.
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    Last edited by Tiggy; 01-23-2015 at 04:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zooters View Post
    You can use ANY weapon or ANY job. It doesn't matter you're doing for the relic quest, so this is a null point.
    You seem to forget about new players. I also made this thread based on LS mates that were saying that the struggle was too much for them. As of now, they have no choice but to struggle with soldiery option. Mind you that the current expert dungeons has been adapting several skills found in coils which is ok for some seasonal players, but not for those who still haven't even beaten turn 5 yet.

    I'm fine btw though, since I have 2 zodiacs and 1 in-progress nexus, which someone thought one of my example is a fallacy. I have even been SR this once. But again, the whole idea is about the inbalance of current expert setup against a 2-3 patch old quest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    Exactly. It is a moot point.
    ... and sorry. I'm afraid it's really... really NOT. lol
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