What is happening to healing in pvp?

[myahele]

I could be wrong, but aren't rules from Frontlines no longer applicable in Slaughter? Meaning that healers will have cleric stance + be able to stack medica 2

[Yumi_umi]

Why? you chose to heal, why would you be upset about healing?
If you want to kill people, go as DPS.

I had a blast being able to defend myself and do damage in WD, you know the "original" pvp mode that has the "similar" goal of killing ppl like fl slaughter will have?
Wd = kill everyone
Fl slaughter = tdm with x amount of points to achieve
We would be able to fend ppl off if you knew how to use ur cds and sprint at the right time and could quickly turn the tables on the ppl chasing you.
4 man = more responsibility on each player.
3 alliances x 3 = responsibility is difused between the 3 alliances and between the 8 ppl per each letter.

The point is that se has crippled us healers and probably will keep nerfing us till we can\\'t even use holy.

[Yumi_umi]

I could be wrong, but aren't rules from Frontlines no longer applicable in Slaughter? Meaning that healers will have cleric stance + be able to stack medica 2

Not too sure, but i still think se is taking the " that would make healers too op again " into consideration.
I'm fine with the medica nerf, but the CS nerf should really be lifted in FLs

[Nalien]

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I like how you're both acting like Achievements are anywhere near as lucrative as tomestones and ignoring the potential that the "Dispatch # enemies on a Frontline campaign." could likely work exactly the same way the "Destroy # interceptor drones." Achievements work.

Even if they don't work that way, these Achievements are no different than the Paladin/Warrior mount Achievements. Get over it.

[Gallus]

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It's not for you to decide what's important and what's not. For some people an achievement might have more weigh than tomes. Stop discrediting stuff just because it's not important for you, if you don't care about achievements, there are others that do, and SE should bring equal rewards to all roles.
I find it very ironic how people often argue how the legalisation of parsers would make people too focused on their DPS while ignoring boss mechanics and thus wiping the party because they would be scared of being blamed for bringing low DPS. Then SE comes up with a "kill x people in PVP" achievement and somebody's best idea in here is to kill people throwing Aeros with 200 intelligence instead of healing with 550 mind.

[Nalien]

Again, these Achievements, assuming they even work differently to the Drone/Node Achievements, are absolutely no different than the Warrior or Paladin Mount Achievements.

You want a Warlion Mount and corresponding title? Do content on Paladin.
You want Slaughterhouse Five Achievement? Do Frontlines as DPS. Or spend forever on it getting 1 kill/round as healer.

By all means, ask for a corresponding Healer based Achievement, one with a Title reward that would actually make sense (why would a Healer care about a Title based on slaughtering people...), but complaining that a set of Achievements are unfair because they (possibly) favour a specific set of Jobs is absurd. Perhaps I should quit because DPSs rarely get commendations and thus lose out on those Achievements? Or complain that there are Achievements for Raising people that my Dragoon cannot possibly get...

[Miburo]

The Cleric Stance nerf only nerfed the numbers, it didn't make it impossible for a healer to contribute damage/kills. Any healer walking out of Frontlines with 0 damage dealt is an utter failure, the moment any 8v8 situation turns in your favour it is very easy to start dealing damage and even picking off a few retreating damage dealers.

I'm well aware healers aren't dealing massive damage and getting kills in the double figures, but pretending healers can never get kills is absurd. Then there's the fact that this whole "issue" hinges on whether kills are counted as a group or not. If it's anything like the Drone/Node achievements people are crying over nothing.

I'd argue that a healer who thinks his aeros and stone IIs are worth casting over his sleeps and heavys is the poorer of the two. You're only getting kills if you're lucky enough to get the kill shot on a guy that was about to die anyway. You're not contributing to the team in any meaningful way by trying to do damage as a healer in frontlines now that cleric stance is gone. Of course it's not impossible to snag a kill every now and then. No one said otherwise. It's not impossible for me to do some healing as a pld with cure too. But in all but extremely rare situations I'm probably better off doing something else.

To say a healer in frontlines is "bad healer" and an "utter failure" for not actively dpsing just suggests you're not super good at frontlines, champ. I can't even find you on the frontline standings anywhere, even searching by just your server and GC and looking back months. You sure you know what you're talking about, killer? Lodestone and your posts suggest that you don't. I'm not crying foul about the new game mode or the fairness of the new achievements, I'm taking issue with your stance about healers in frontlines. Like their job there isn't crap enough without little potatoes saying they're bad for not busting out the deepz.

[Gallus]

Again, these Achievements, assuming they even work differently to the Drone/Node Achievements, are absolutely no different than the Warrior or Paladin Mount Achievements.

You want a Warlion Mount and corresponding title? Do content on Paladin.
You want Slaughterhouse Five Achievement? Do Frontlines as DPS. Or spend forever on it getting 1 kill/round as healer.

I saw that as an incentive to try to encourage people to play tanks because there was (and is) a clear lack of them. But why on earth would you give even more incentive to people to play DPS by granting them achievements that are nearly unreachable by far far far less played classes (especially heals, I can see tanks having an easier time killing) when there is already one billion of DPS collapsing the DFs? No matter from what angle I try to look at this, I keep thinking it makes absolutely no sense. But whatever...

[Evangela]

I stopped playing healer in Frontline because it's too boring.

why do they have to take Cleric Stance away from healers? don't want healer to attack? for what? why don't stop tanks from doing damages too?

[Nalien]

I can't even find you on the frontline standings anywhere, even searching by just your server and GC and looking back months.

Probably has something to do with exams.

As for my stance on Healers, are you really suggesting to me that Healers shouldn't do any damage at all? I said the Healers who leave with 0 damage dealt are failures. The simple fact that they did 0 damage, to me, indicates that they aren't using all of their abilities and could be contributing much more. Typically I notice that good Healers tend to deal a fair amount of damage, while the PvE Healers skirt around doing 1,000 damage total and likely need telling to set their PvP abilities...

I am not suggesting Healers should "bust out the deepz", I am simply suggesting that the ones who contribute something other than solely HP Restored numbers are far better than the ones who leave with an inflated HP Restored number for overhealing and nothing else...