The Keeper of the Lake Elder primal

[Balipu]

Well we will know in a week.

[Toranja]

Since they never bring up the pillar of light at any point in A Realm Reborn's main scenario quests on the subject of primals, I think people are relying too much on an ancient FMV that only has a tiny part shown again during the current game.

That tiny and ancient FMV sets the ground for everything.

[Enkidoh]

That tiny and ancient FMV sets the ground for everything.

Indeed - and also, parts of that original opening FMV did in fact show up in ARR as well (during the scene where Gaius and the Tribuni fist appear in ARR, when the player takes the airship for the first time on the envoy quest).

So that basically proves that despite everything, the original opening FMV is still canon to the game's storyline, even if a few minor details of it are now retconned (the design of the Drowning Wench, how the Echo is depicted, the different abilities Derplander's party use against the malboro etc).

[firstsin]

After reading the theories in this thread I am surprised that no one mentioned Good King Moggle Mog XII.

The Moogle King never existed but the Moogles were able to create this Primal. This make me think that sealing primals in not a possibility. The Allagans were only able to imprison the Primals. Once the Primals aether ran out they'd loose their corporeal form and return to the aether. And since everything in the World of Eorzea consists of aether the Primals can be summoned as long as sufficient amount of aether is used. This also explained in the story and details of maintaining a summoned a primal indefinitely in FCoB.

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[firstsin]

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The Ascians in my opinion are able to use the power of the echo to bridge the gap between the corporeal and non-corporeal world. This may have something to do with Hydelyn getting weaker or the dark crystal getting stronger (don't really know just speculating).

What I am trying to say is the Ascians are not the same as primals but understand the nature and power of primals, thus are able to use the primals ability to return to the aether to their own advantage like escaping death.

But unlike primals if their essence can be trapped in an aetherial prison (auracite) they can be destroyed, ultimately preventing them from returning.

Now here is where it gets murky. We know if there is enough prayers and sufficient aether anything can be given form in Eorzea. So there is the issue with my theory that the ascians themselves might be summoned by Zodiac or another being.

[PArcher]

Good King Moggle Mog is technically a Moogle myth, but it is still possible he did/does exist, if the myth is true

[lololink]

Good King Moggle Mog is technically a Moogle myth, but it is still possible he did/does exist, if the myth is true

He is now known as a myth but it is likely that he existed, myths usually don't come from nowhere, we don't know a lot of the first Era when gods where still in Eorzea, it is possible that moogles existed since that era, of course the myth might be very far from the real story.

[Toranja]

I would hold off delving too deep into the nature of the Primals just yet. Patch 2.5 seems like it will bring the plot back on axis with 1.0's main plot and will shed some light on this.

But if we are going that way, then I would say the best comparison lies in FFX with the fayth, the aeons, Dream Zanarkand and the pyreflies.

[RolandDebreton]

My thoughts:

[RolandDebreton]

My thoughts on the matter:

I think the Moggle Mog line of thinking is spot on for explaining the Silver Tear Seal scene.

Contention 1: Myth exists among a people (Moogles) of a powerful patron. This god figure, a complete fabrication or an actual being, exists as part of their legend. His actuality, his real existence, is unimportant for this argument. What is important is the story and the belief.

Contention 2. A method exists to take the animus or soul stuff of that world (aether) and convert shape to it - create; whether it be a fireball, a wave of healing regenerative reconstruction, or virtual life. A pseudo-creation is what is had there, the power to declare intentions to existence, "Let there be, and it was."

Contention 3: With a proper formula the belief in something, like a legendary moogle sky king, or an ancient super Amal'ja fire champion/god and his mythos can be given shape.

I am of the belief that we may never know what the original storyboarding for the 1.0 intro may have been. However, if I was going to explain it, I'd say that before the breaking of the seal, Ifrit was a story, not an ancient Allagan being, not a modern being, a belief.

When the seal broke, a LOT of flashing entities burst forth. I'm guessing that at that moment, a whole lot of things went from potentiality to actuality. Angry, roused up Amal'ja shaman told tales of a fierce spirit of fire on the plains of Paglth'an, who had destroyed their foes. When that belief, and that unique set of aether met, Ifrit coalesced over Mor Dhona, and was then, by faith, made real. Like others have said, he became "available," then.

Continued Amal'ja belief, and sufficient supply of the aether that gave him actuality are all it takes, presto, homemade firegod fresh from the oven. Peoples have been able to pull this off millennia ago, and presently.

My question is, how often has this been possible between Allag and the present? We know at least once in Doma some time back. Is this kind of special godcrafting only possible when some ancient pool of Allagan summoning hoodoo is drudged up?

As an aside Erik tells us a legend of my patron Althyk and the deity of Fate crafting Midgarsormr to guard Silvertear. Others in this forum have bluntly stated Silvertear to have been an Allagan construct. What evidence do we have for the Seal's origins beyond the creation-tale?