We have finally come full circle, SMN's need help!

[Havenchild]

So I gave in and raided with my SMN just to see what all the fuss was all about. MP management was kinda a small issue during my time (mainly because I main a healer and am pretty comfortable with managing my MP). I'm not claiming that I did an amazing job; just decent is all. A good friend was nice enough to tag along and check my dps (Apparently I was doing around 390-ish on average). The main issue I usually see is that some summoners forego the use of Ruin in favour of Ruin II, and Energy Drain in favour of Fester. Some even opt to use Miasma II. This speeds up the amount of MP drained and how long it will last before exhausting your supply completely.

If you are not running out of MP on a SMN, you are most definitely not optimizing your damage. This is completely going off of what you said as comfortable.
If you are THAT comfortable with your MP in FCOB then you are getting beaten by any smart DPS player even BRDs who sing songs. Yes BRDs that sing still can parse above 400 in FCOB.

You did not understand anything. Of course your attribute points go to INT. My point was that...whoever that doesn't believe that 50ish piety gives you permasustained damage, he or she can try it by reallocating their 30 points from INT to Piety temporarily, buying an HQ pineapple juice and going to a dummy. This will have almost the same effect as if you'd put Piety on your relic weapon.

I'd love to see what you parse with this Piety fix of yours, because I'm fairly sure you're getting stomped out by SMNs who actually use Energy Drain sometimes to stay afloat throughout all fights.

[AdamFyi]

If you are not running out of MP on a SMN, you are most definitely not optimizing your damage.

At most, my MP was hovering over around 40% during the fight - fluctuating between 10% and 40% of my max. My use of 'comfortable' was a little vague, so I have to apologize for that. Nonetheless, I wasn't aiming to be the top, but I tried to at least throw out something decent. The sample size wasn't too great either with only five checks (440-ish, 380-ish, 420-ish, 340-ish, and 400-ish from what I can recall). As seen in the quote below;

I'm not claiming that I did an amazing job; just decent is all. A good friend was nice enough to tag along and check my dps (Apparently I was doing around 390-ish on average).

I'm not very well versed as a Summoner nor is it geared to the bone because I main a healer (My casters are still at i105 with a few i90 accessories). I did it to see how much I can push my damage while watching my MP and making sure I don't run out. I've acknowledged in my post that I believe that there is an MP issue which stems from the mechanics of the class and how it interacts with the jobs it's linked to which is explained in my previous post.

However, I'm sure a Summoner who runs out of MP is almost near useless until they can regain said MP from an Aetherflow or an Energy Drain. That's how I felt whenever I ran out of MP. Truth be told, it wasn't a good feeling.

[Osmond]

And yet these replies further state the ignorance of the people playing this game. An i125 weapon can have up to 37 piety. Pineapple juice gives 17 piety.

54 piety are NOT 200 mp. Each point of piety roughly equals 7.2 MP, which means that 54 points of piety give you roughly 400 mp, not 200. Your mana ticks happen every 3 seconds and they have a 2% regen of your total mana (under combat). That means that 400 mp net you:

Do yourselves a favour. Buy a keeper's hymn (not the 37 piety from relic but will work too). Change your points from int to piety. Buy a pineapple juice. Go to a dummy. Start DPSing. When you guys get to your retirement pension and still don't have mana issues, we can continue having this conversation.

SMN is a ranged magic DPS, not a healer. They will not use piety, it's stupid. Please stop passing the salt to everyone else, sad attempt...

[Osmond]

Even if SMNs put piety on their jobs, drink juices for more MP, you killing your DPS in the process making it worse than making it better. It's why SMN focus more into crit hit, det, & INT cause it effects your DoT potency for 1, fester for 2 especially when it crits.

[Lavieh]

SMN is a ranged magic DPS, not a healer. They will not use piety, it's stupid. Please stop passing the salt to everyone else, sad attempt...

I do think that SMN can make some use of Triple Cream Coffee in longer fights, but the user Gallus is insane if they think switching from INT to PIE is a good idea.

[Osmond]

I do think that SMN can make some use of Triple Cream Coffee in longer fights, but the user Gallus is insane if they think switching from INT to PIE is a good idea.

That's possible, atm though it is costly to get if the player have the gil for HQ or themselves or friends can craft it. Atm its over 20k in balmung for 1 HQ TCC, 3k for NQ.

[Gallus]

I do think that SMN can make some use of Triple Cream Coffee in longer fights, but the user Gallus is insane if they think switching from INT to PIE is a good idea.

I didn't say that...jesus, do you even read...

[Gallus]

I'd love to see what you parse with this Piety fix of yours, because I'm fairly sure you're getting stomped out by SMNs who actually use Energy Drain sometimes to stay afloat throughout all fights.

I parse around 350 DPS in a dummy with my i122 SCH with 377 Crit, 315 Det and 417 Piety, so go figure how important secondary stats are. Add in the 100-120 DPS from garuda and the slightly superior damage from the SMN itself because of contagion + fester + raging strikes and I'd probably be around a sustained 470-490. So yeah...

[SummonerSenah]

Do yourselves a favour. Buy a keeper's hymn (not the 37 piety from relic but will work too). Change your points from int to piety. Buy a pineapple juice. Go to a dummy. Start DPSing. When you guys get to your retirement pension and still don't have mana issues, we can continue having this conversation.

That's still a workaround that doesn't actually solve the problem. Having more mana may help you stay in the fight longer but you've sacrificed some of your damage output potential to do it. Whether you keep your relic with crit/det and run out of mana, or get a relic with pie/det or pie/crit and don't run out of mana, the end result is still that summoner loses damage in one way or another and thus is not competitive enough with other DPS jobs for FCoB.

[Osmond]

I parse around 350 DPS in a dummy with my i122 SCH with 377 Crit, 315 Det and 417 Piety, so go figure how important secondary stats are. Add in the 100-120 DPS from garuda and the slightly superior damage from the SMN itself because of contagion + fester + raging strikes and I'd probably be around a sustained 470-490. So yeah...

What's the duration? 5 min? 10min?