We have finally come full circle, SMN's need help!

[Gallus]

And yet these replies further state the ignorance of the people playing this game. An i125 weapon can have up to 37 piety. Pineapple juice gives 17 piety.

54 piety are NOT 200 mp. Each point of piety roughly equals 7.2 MP, which means that 54 points of piety give you roughly 400 mp, not 200. Your mana ticks happen every 3 seconds and they have a 2% regen of your total mana (under combat). That means that 400 mp net you:

1 - 8 mp more every 3 seconds.
2 - greater pool of mana.
3 - greater mana regen through aetherflow too.

Do yourselves a favour. Buy a keeper's hymn (not the 37 piety from relic but will work too). Change your points from int to piety. Buy a pineapple juice. Go to a dummy. Start DPSing. When you guys get to your retirement pension and still don't have mana issues, we can continue having this conversation.

[Alberel]

And yet these replies further state the ignorance of the people playing this game. An i125 weapon can have up to 37 piety. Pineapple juice gives 17 piety.

54 piety are NOT 200 mp. Each point of piety roughly equals 7.2 MP, which means that 54 points of piety give you roughly 400 mp, not 200. Your mana ticks happen every 3 seconds and they have a 2% regen of your total mana (under combat). That means that 400 mp net you:

1 - 8 mp more every 3 seconds.
2 - greater pool of mana.
3 - greater mana regen through aetherflow too.

Do yourselves a favour. Buy a keeper's hymn (not the 37 piety from relic but will work too). Change your points from int to piety. Buy a pineapple juice. Go to a dummy. Start DPSing. When you guys get to your retirement pension and still don't have mana issues, we can continue having this conversation.

So with all your stats focused on MP regen mind showing us how your damage compares to all the other DPS jobs that are just stacking damage stats with no resource worries at all? If SMN were balanced around needing to build for MP regen then fine, but the job isn't, you're basically describing a workaround that sacrifices damage (though possibly less than running out of MP) but doesn't actually fix the issue here.

[Gallus]

So with all your stats focused on MP regen

It's not "all your stats". It's just 37 points of piety that could be 37 points of crit and that would boost your crit roughly by a 2.5%...which is not even a 1% increase in your DPS. And the food...what are you currently using anyway? Black Truffle Rissotto? You do realize food does not affect your pet do you...so the crit and det provided by that food are even more insignificant than they are already under normal circumstances. So saying "all your stats focused on MP regen" is a bit of an overexaggeration. You are probably exchanging a total of an 1 or at worst 2% DPS for complete permasustained damage and why not say it, more mobile and more reliable too (Ruin II).

[Osmond]

And yet these replies further state the ignorance of the people playing this game. An i125 weapon can have up to 37 piety. Pineapple juice gives 17 piety.

54 piety are NOT 200 mp. Each point of piety roughly equals 7.2 MP, which means that 54 points of piety give you roughly 400 mp, not 200. Your mana ticks happen every 3 seconds and they have a 2% regen of your total mana (under combat). That means that 400 mp net you:

Do yourselves a favour. Buy a keeper's hymn (not the 37 piety from relic but will work too). Change your points from int to piety. Buy a pineapple juice. Go to a dummy. Start DPSing. When you guys get to your retirement pension and still don't have mana issues, we can continue having this conversation.

SMN is a ranged magic DPS, not a healer. They will not use piety, it's stupid. Please stop passing the salt to everyone else, sad attempt...

[Lavieh]

SMN is a ranged magic DPS, not a healer. They will not use piety, it's stupid. Please stop passing the salt to everyone else, sad attempt...

I do think that SMN can make some use of Triple Cream Coffee in longer fights, but the user Gallus is insane if they think switching from INT to PIE is a good idea.

[Osmond]

I do think that SMN can make some use of Triple Cream Coffee in longer fights, but the user Gallus is insane if they think switching from INT to PIE is a good idea.

That's possible, atm though it is costly to get if the player have the gil for HQ or themselves or friends can craft it. Atm its over 20k in balmung for 1 HQ TCC, 3k for NQ.

[Gallus]

I do think that SMN can make some use of Triple Cream Coffee in longer fights, but the user Gallus is insane if they think switching from INT to PIE is a good idea.

I didn't say that...jesus, do you even read...

[SummonerSenah]

Do yourselves a favour. Buy a keeper's hymn (not the 37 piety from relic but will work too). Change your points from int to piety. Buy a pineapple juice. Go to a dummy. Start DPSing. When you guys get to your retirement pension and still don't have mana issues, we can continue having this conversation.

That's still a workaround that doesn't actually solve the problem. Having more mana may help you stay in the fight longer but you've sacrificed some of your damage output potential to do it. Whether you keep your relic with crit/det and run out of mana, or get a relic with pie/det or pie/crit and don't run out of mana, the end result is still that summoner loses damage in one way or another and thus is not competitive enough with other DPS jobs for FCoB.

[Osmond]

You can tell ppl that smn can make over 400DPS, but none never point out how long before your MP runs out or make it to a certain time limit before that player+pet stop attacking. Having more peity at the sacrifice of the loss of det and crit is a loss of DPS on a SMN period. There is no other way around it. No smn will take that chance when they are competing other DPS to stay on par w/ theirs to make the fight easier and faster kills.