Once again screwed in a dungeon!

[Saevel]

If you really are getting kicked for requesting a slower or experience driven run, then you should file a GM report against the offending player(s). Regardless of their motivations for running these dungeons, it is explicitly against the rules to vote kick a party member for that reason.

That being said, you should also note that you don't lose a huge amount of experience by skipping some monsters (half the opening room of AV, or some corridors of DD). You should consider your experience over time, and there are instances where an expedited run can prove to be more valuable to you while also serving that high-level player's goal of reaching the end quickly.

[Meklore]

... That being said, you should also note that you don't lose a huge amount of experience by skipping some monsters (half the opening room of AV, or some corridors of DD). You should consider your experience over time, and there are instances where an expedited run can prove to be more valuable to you while also serving that high-level player's goal of reaching the end quickly.

Trying to justify your opinion of speed running.
Efficiency in amount of exp gained isn't the same as completing a dungeon as it was intended.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of players who want to experience the whole dungeon, not just the bosses.

[Saevel]

Trying to justify your opinion of speed running.
Efficiency in amount of exp gained isn't the same as completing a dungeon as it was intended.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of players who want to experience the whole dungeon, not just the bosses.

I did not state my opinion on speed running. As a matter of fact, I am perfectly content to kill every single thing in a dungeon, as much so as skipping some monsters.

I do however suggest that when 3 party members want to quickly run a dungeon, and one doesn't, it is in the best interests of the one dissenting player to go along with it. Particularly when the alternative is not finishing the dungeon at all, let alone "as it was intended." My comment was to show that 4 people having disparate goals can in fact work together to the benefit of all parties involved.

[aisustrong]

Trying to justify your opinion of speed running.
Efficiency in amount of exp gained isn't the same as completing a dungeon as it was intended.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of players who want to experience the whole dungeon, not just the bosses.

dd sure feels like it was meant to be sr'd though
the side corridors on first floor arent even worth the effort beyond the map achievement
the loot in those chests are torn garbage with ilevel lower than equip level