Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

[Pterois]

And for the people who have gil but can't be online when the servers come up due to work or other obligations?

i had work that tuesday morning when i was up at 3am (for 2.4)... i logged out right in front of lavender beds entrance knowing i would make the B-line straight for a house and started saving gil two months beforehand. I would sympathize if you were LITERALLY at work but if it was just to early for you to wake up then i would just say you were not dedicated enough lol. I have 4 kids and sleep is a very precious thing to me so i don't wanna here some i shouldn't have to story... people know the state of the housing market so you should have moved asap when you had the chance.

But i still think the housing situation is far from concluded, don't get me wrong, they still have lots of stuff to fix. BUT if you want to play a new housing market game... i occasionally see small houses open up for what ever reason (character deleted or they only bought the land but didn't build) if you keep your eyes peeled you will see one open up, just make sure you have the gil on hand at all times.

[MageBlack]

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What about those who bought the game in the last few days?

I get that they do have bigger fish to fry but it feels like none of the issues that have arisen were ever considered when they developed the content. That's my beef, poor planning on this particular content.

[Pterois]

What about those who bought the game in the last few days?

I get that they do have bigger fish to fry but it feels like none of the issues that have arisen were ever considered when they developed the content. That's my beef, poor planning on this particular content.

yeah there is no arguing that...

[Purrfectstorm]

What about those who bought the game in the last few days?

I get that they do have bigger fish to fry but it feels like none of the issues that have arisen were ever considered when they developed the content. That's my beef, poor planning on this particular content.

There will always be things that veteran players have that new players will need time to acquire. What new player doesn't understand this? And if you can't get a small, save for a medium, or a large while waiting for SE to add more housing. SE will eventually you know (or at least devise some other solution).

[Illya]

What about those who bought the game in the last few days?

Those people will be directed to a less populated server when they create their character.

[Gyson]

Those people will be directed to a less populated server when they create their character.

Good in theory, but in practice it doesn't pan out that way.

Look, I'm pretty sure we can all agree that it'd be fantastic if enough housing were available for everyone that wanted a residence (provided they could afford one). So, I'm not sure why there's any opposition when someone complains about the lack of available plots (on any server).

Whether it's new, active players who end up sticking with FFXIV for years to come, or long-time players who spend most of their days now idle and AFK, everyone has an understandable expectation of being able to access a game feature like housing. And when the competition in the MMO gaming market is offering it, it's generally a good idea to make the process as hassle-free as possible if your product hopes to be competitive.

Worse still, the practice of "selling the right to be present when a plot is abandoned" needs to go, and badly. Newcomers to the housing market shouldn't essentially be paying for the same plot of land twice; it's ridiculously unfair. I realize current landowners looking to upgrade have an expectation to recover the money they spent on their original plot of land (just like in the real world), but housing was designed to be a gil sink, not a security deposit that's returned when a player moves out. SE should really step in and squash this, in my opinion.

[Tiggy]

What about those who bought the game in the last few days?

Then they aren't level 50, and they don't have millions to blow on a house. So completely doesn't matter. So you might then ask "what about those who bought the game a month ago and now has a 50 and some cash" and to that I say sometimes you can't expect to have what the veterans do immediately and to have some patience. You are not entitled to a house. This also assumes that somehow that new player is more entitle than I don't know, someone who had the money 5 months ago and still hasn't had a chance to buy one due to availability. So really I don't care about your hypothetical new person. It doesn't change a thing.

[MageBlack]

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While I can understand this regarding FC housing, Personal housing in an MMO should not have been this way. FC housing makes sense to be communal like that, there is no reason personal housing should be done the same way. It no longer is personal and there is little to no difference between a FC owned house and Personal house except for the way it is acquired and restricted. Especially when they link things like the chocobo stables, gardening, Crafting bonuses, and possible future content like the chocobo raising/racing which is all supposed to be casual cosmetic content that is denied to the casual player base.

This housing feature seems to go contrary to the dev teams philosophy of making the game casual friendly. Lets make the end game content accessible to everyone and "easy" (according to some) to do yet lets restrict player homes and all associated features to the hardcore, first come first serve crowd.

[Purrfectstorm]

supposed to be casual cosmetic content that is denied to the casual player base.

denied to the casual player base.

casual friendly

yet lets restrict player homes and all associated features to the hardcore, first come first serve crowd.

I think you're misusing the terms casual and hardcore here, especially if it's plot availability, not pricing, that you have an issue with. You seem to be equating "hardcore" with "haves" and "casual" with "have-nots." There doesn't seem to be much correlation to actual hardcore playing having anything to do with getting a plot.

You were either there when new plots opened up or you weren't.

I don't think that timing makes one hardcore or not. But then I've never liked the whole hardcore/casual dichotomy some players seem eager to push. Point of fact is that your post insults both groups. On the one hand it paints "casuals" as players unable or unwilling to get access to the housing feature (it is actually very easy i.e. "casual" these days) and on the other hand the "hardcore" players have an unfair advantage due to their no life status. This is way too many assumptions for you to take on and seems like a bit of cognitive dissonance to me:

I want housing.
I can't get housing.
So I'll denigrate everyone who has housing by calling them "hardcore" (a term which you seem to be using negatively here).

When SE first released player housing, I would've probably agreed with much of what you've said, but some things have changed: prices have come down, SE has released more plots of land, and gil is plentiful to be had. I think there is plenty of reason to suspect that this trend will continue so I'd suggest saving your gil and waiting till it's your turn (pricing is affordable + land is available). This WILL happen.

I want to be clear that I don't completely like what SE has done:
- how housing is limited at all
- how personal and FC housing is shared
- the price of plots and houses

but I DO like that:
- you need a house to have a chocobo stable or garden
- that these things are resources that reward you for having invested in a house
- the feeling of accomplishment at having purchased a house

TL;DR version: not a perfect system but easy for the average player to take part in, if not right off then down the road a ways.

Final note: I'm a "casual" player and I actually enjoy grinding for things I want in game be it gear or housing. Casual doesn't mean you want things handed to you. And I don't think that waking up an hour early to log on when new plots open up makes you particularly "hardcore" either.

[MageBlack]

I think you're misusing the terms casual and hardcore here, especially if it's plot availability, not pricing, that you have an issue with. You seem to be equating "hardcore" with "haves" and "casual" with "have-nots." There doesn't seem to be much correlation to actual hardcore playing having anything to do with getting a plot.

You were either there when new plots opened up or you weren't.

I think its more a definition of terms than me trying to denigrate anyone. That was not what I was trying to imply and i apologize if I came off that way. I am a "casual" player as well and what i was meaning when I used the word casual (I don't think i actually used hardcore when describing people who got one) was someone who casually plays, log in here or there when they have time, Probably has a family, FT job and other out-of-work commitments. Someone who doesnt feel they should have to wake up at 3am just to partake in housing or have make the money needed in a short timeframe. I have no issues at all with a grind for money. Its possible, i'm just slower than most people. I have no problems saving money but once I am forcing myself to focus solely on making money by harvesting, working market board prices, soulbinding, etc. the game is no longer fun. most times I log in, I have an hour or so. Enough time to run a dungeon or two, help out some of my friends, Maybe do daily beast tribe quests, then log out. I'm sure i'm not alone and that is just one situation.

I also have no problem with the chocobo stables being attached to houses, gardens, or whatever. I think it makes sense. I just wish there was some sort of system in place that would assure me that once I met the requirements I would have my house. Such a system is not in place.