Can someone give me an in-depth explanation why Summoner is arguably the worst DPS?

[Skeith-Adeline]

Let's just chill with the insults for a second, no place in an argument. Did you know that slinging insults in arguments is often a sign of defeat; a sign of being unable to hold ones position?

There is nothing fallacious in believing something is fine, but understanding said thing could use some changes. Example: "This pasta's fine, but it could use some oregano". Another example more closely related: "Bards are fine, but could use some tweaks".
Just because I didn't say in that comment what I believe they could use, doesn't mean I didn't harbor the thoughts. I have responded on several other posts saying that if I'd prefer if they had either Mana or DPS boost, not both, but wouldn't be fully against them getting both. But again, as they are, they are fine.

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[Skeith-Adeline]

SMNs can clear T11-13 without extensive health issues. No matter how good a DRG was, unless they had a gross amount of 130 gear or Vit crafted pieces, they were at risk of death from unavoidable damage. A skilled SMN CAN mitigate issues with the class. Their[SMN] DPS is lower[BLM], but no way is their DPS fetid. They are not weaker than Bards, which also can put out respectable damage. Skill, unlike with DRGs pre-patch, can help SMNs place much more efficiently than DRGs skill affected theirs.

My i115 smn pretty much never gets used any more since my i110 DRG can pull better numbers and has more sustain

Melee will always have higher DPS than Casters. Pretty sure a 120ish Melee can outplace a BLM in 130 with average proc luck.

[ViviAnimus]

The truth of the matter is that you made it in no way clear in your initial post what you truly meant and that is entirely your fault.
Basically, everyone said the pasta was shit compared to other pasta and you said the pasta was fine and you don't understand why other people think the pasta is shit. That's basically how you conveyed your message in the first place. But it's good that at least we agree that Summoner should need a buff.
It should actually have more damage than a BLM since BLM is so much easier compared to Summoner. They are both easy though. Summoner should have higher TS damage since the AoE on BLM is a lot higher and effective.

[Tex_Mex]

Melee will always have higher DPS than Casters. Pretty sure a 120ish Melee can outplace a BLM in 130 with average proc luck.

Sure, and in no way am I asking for that. The change i suggested is a 5 dps increase at most, and would do nothing but even them out with BLM in final coil. Hell BLM would still be the number one magic user pick because of their AoE, but at least it would be a little closer.

[ViviAnimus]

Dragoon had its issues, Summoner has other issues. It's very simular. Dragoon had magical deffence issues and Summoner has MP issues. Dragoon had issues getting the numbers a Ninja and Monk could pull. Summoner can not pull the numbers a BLM can pull. That's all that needs to be said and that is all the justification to say that Summoner needs to be buffed in order to not make it obsolete. It should have - once again - higher ST damage and less AoE which it already has because

- Things die and need to be burst down, so the AoE on a BLM is still better on pretty much everything (Flare is huge on two targets).
- You don't always have stacks of eatherflow, so you have to actually save a stack and lose a bit of DPS sometimes. BLM has infinite mana and in the situations where you can AoE in Final coil you simply have to Flare the two targets on T10, you start with full mana on the Benu phase and you start with full mana on the add phase in T13 enabling you to just do the rotation.

[Skeith-Adeline]

If they are to have higher DPS, I feel like it is the pet that should acquire this boost. SMNs aren't bad at AoE, so I don't think they should be obtaining grandiose single target numbers (like a Monk: horrid AoE/god-tier ST).

Also, about our ease, it's because RNG plays too heavily a factor in our DPS. 580 dps burst 14% crit with 0 firestarter vs 800 dps burstwith 21% crit, 3 fire starter and 1 Thundercloud is... dramatic.

[Tex_Mex]

I dont think anyone is asking for SMN to be comparable to monk (or any melee for that matter) in single target dps. But many people believe that they should be the highest single target "ranged" dps, considering their drawbacks in the fields of MP sustainability, AoE dps, and Utility.

The FCoB mechanics and superior performance of BLM for both ST and AoE DPS leaves SMN with little going for them.

I don't mind some classes having drawbacks, I actually believe it to be a very important part of class balance. However, SMN looks kind of like this:

ST DPS: Low/Average
AoE DPS: Average
Sustainability: Low
Utility: Low

Shouldn't they be strong in something?

[Tex_Mex]

Compare that with BLM:

ST DPS: Low/Average
AoE DPS: High
Sustainability: High
Utility: Low

or BRD
ST DPS: Low/Average
Aoe DPS: Low/Average
Sustainability: Average
Utility: High

[Akiza]

The Summoner DPS is hard capped because of the limitation on DoTs even with better mana resources the Summoner's damage will never get any higher. In order to buff Summoner without affecting Scholar is for SE to decrease the cool down on Enkindle to 30s since it does the same damage as Fester and increase the pet damage by 20%.

[Sanguisio]

lol this thread, talking about pasta now ^^

If the fights get any longer or more intense with no downtime and more adds, SMNs will be redundant, which is BS because yoshi P said he didnt want any job/class to be not viable in content. So SMNs will be be getting a buff regardless so guys please calm down. That being said as it stands BLM>SMN in all of FCOB par maybe t11 due to movement and t12 if youre doing the ice and on Bennu rev phase simply because you will be dodging quite a bit anyway. But even then BLMs controlled AOE dps and flare range kinda makes amazing at it aswell.

I play SMN because I can put out good numbers, my gear is more tailored to SMN as well and we have no issues with DPS. But if my grp was having issues, I would most likely use BLM just to deal with AOE stuff so melee can be 100% on boss.

Im not knocking SMN as a useless class, but of the two casters BLM has the edge and ease.