Please, no more job restrictions for glamour.

[Shougun]

Rebuttal: does it matter?
The original art direction of this game as a detailed and naturalistic reflection of late Renaissance to early Colonial hand crafted design decided to pirouette straight into wacky tacky land with the introduction of Primal gear. Any artistic integrity they wanted me to respect has been chipped away with every event they added, turning to little more than dust with the fantastic King Slime hat. So a mage looks like a monk. Is that any worse than a warrior that looks like a sandal wearing pumpkin bikini snow santa?

I want to like and dislike this comment ... The feels, the confliction, it's too much ;_;.

[Lovescake]

Rebuttal: does it matter?
The original art direction of this game as a detailed and naturalistic reflection of late Renaissance to early Colonial hand crafted design decided to pirouette straight into wacky tacky land with the introduction of Primal gear. Any artistic integrity they wanted me to respect has been chipped away with every event they added, turning to little more than dust with the fantastic King Slime hat. So a mage looks like a monk. Is that any worse than a warrior that looks like a sandal wearing pumpkin bikini snow santa?

This makes me happy.

In my opinion though, they should just lift it, as Gramul stated anything artistically specific they wanted to keep for each unique role has been shattered anyway by the event items, all class/race glamours and so forth, bikini warriors assemble!

i say lift it. even if its just to be "disciples of war" and "magic". it'll open up a few more doors for a "trial period" if they need

[Mihana]

Tunics and Tabards or Leather Armor that can be worn by Mages
None

This is somewhat incorrect actually, there is ONE piece of leather armor (A jacket.) that mage, dps, tank, and crafting/gathering classes can use. In the v1.0 leatherworker main storyline there was an item called the Wood Wailer's Jacket you had to repair. At one point in it you were instructed to wear it and run around Gridania for a little bit to try it out after repairs. You were able to keep it by storing the jacket on a retainer. In A Realm Reborn the jacket still remains untouched (Except for stats.) allowing all classes to wear the armor still. I've used it as a glamour piece at times to create a cleric-style look. Unfortunately for new players and those who never completed the quest line it can no longer be obtained so that's why I list this as somewhat incorrrect.

[Vejjiegirl]

In the v1.0 leatherworker main storyline there was an item called the Wood Wailer's Jacket you had to repair

(Note* This is a list of Non-Dated Items)

I didn't include 1.0 restricted or Dated Gear to the list since there was no point as they are phased out in 2.0.
Sure I can wear my Dated Lanturn shield and dated armor. But that isn't fair to players new to the game.

Being Legacy shouldn't give me the right to have more glamour options over other players when Glamours wasn't a thing in 1.0.

[lynyan]

i feel like it's pretty clear that that answer given in that live letter was a total cop out and their actual reasoning behind restricting glamours is just not wanting to implement it. so basically, laziness lol. the examples provided in this thread are more than enough to show that the whole ~ruining the image of the job~ thing is total bs. let me glamour the cute alchemist skirt yoshi p.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

Sick of the job-restriction glamour arguments they've stated multiple times it isn't going to happen. Most glamour anyone sees is already uninspired underwear skimpy and wedding dress fighters. If I see a mage in tank gear it might make me vomit.

The real issue here is we can't make our cross-class glamours unique to each other.

Want to look like a PLD and a WAR? Better find a glamour that suits both. They haven't commented on this and this is the issue that should be brought up.

[Stihllodeing]

....snip.... so basically, laziness lol...snip....

Not trying to snip the heck out of your post. It's just that...laziness? The current glamour system is more overly complicated and more unnecessarily hindering than any skins system I've ever seen in any mmo or any game I've played offering this type of option.

It would've been so easy to simply have an open ended library that's restriction free for your character to pull from. That's pretty standard in almost any game with a character re-skin system.

But no. What we have is this overly complicated strange angle take on what it means for your character to wear different clothes. I kind of like the "lore" behind it, but at the end of the day "lazy" isn't exactly the word that comes to mind...for me at least.

For me, it's like they all went out for drink one night, came up with this idea, had the taxi drop them all off at work, implemented the idea against their better judgment, and showed up for work the next day only to say to themselves, "Uhhh, what did we do?"

So I guess SE employees are either party animals that I would love to hang out with, or the person behind the glamour system has a vision for said glamour system that has yet to come to fruition.

[Atomnium]

If I see a mage in tank gear it might make me vomit.

So sad to be you when you have to look at the storyline then, Papalymo, Archon Louisoix are both mages that wear tank gears and even Yda that is a monk is wearing heavy legplates.
Let's not forget Doga from cristal tower storyline, a mage and wearing tank gears from scob.

in 1.0, my little THM had a very nice mix of heavy armor, shirt and casting stuffs <3 good old times.

All the hate comments make me smile when you know that back in 1.0, being able to wear anything was a selling argument from Tanaka* for FFXIV.
*Nope I don't have the source of this but if someone can find it, it would be awesome.

[Hito-Shura]

Sick of the job-restriction glamour arguments they've stated multiple times it isn't going to happen. Most glamour anyone sees is already uninspired underwear skimpy and wedding dress fighters. If I see a mage in tank gear it might make me vomit.

The real issue here is we can't make our cross-class glamours unique to each other.

Want to look like a PLD and a WAR? Better find a glamour that suits both. They haven't commented on this and this is the issue that should be brought up.

Allow me to explain the reason why you see all these ridiculous glamours in the game in its current state... It's the fact there is nothing more one can do to stand out in FF14. Most of the gear are locked behind job restrictions thus limiting every potentially cool and interesting costumes thus forcing players to make stupid combinations instead of unique and interesting looking ones. It is in our nature to use what resources we have to stand out even if these resources actually destroy the image of the game instead of empowering it.

I agree that a small amount of limitations is important to keep the foundation of the game's fashion solid (and I'm not against it) but too many limitations is just as bad and FF14 is very bad in my opinion. Like I said earlier... Everything is restricted aside from the stupid looking event gear which forces players to use them instead of other gear. And if you read the other very well built posts of this thread, you would have realized that our current situation is dire and our selection is poor when it comes to original glamours in contrast with the potential players had in 1.0.

One must have faith when trusting the vision of a world to its player base. Sure some players will use it to make fools out of themselves (and I don't think they can be any worst as it is now) but many will also use it to make very awesome designs and costumes thus empowering the world.

[BreathlessTao]

For me, it's like they all went out for drink one night, came up with this idea, had the taxi drop them all off at work, implemented the idea against their better judgment, and showed up for work the next day only to say to themselves, "Uhhh, what did we do?"

It's not even that, if you ask me; it's actually a "nice" job of kee-...no, not even keeping, more like recycling/rehashing DoH&DoL into something that's actually relevant in the game. Problem with that, of course, is it should not have been done like this, not by making casual clothing some of the hardest to obtain (not even hard, just RNG) OR some of the most "pointless" (see reindeer suit and co) and then the most overcomplicated (and expensive) to use. That specific bit does sound like a drunk idea, tbh.

It's the fact there is nothing more one can do to stand out in FF14. Most of the gear are locked behind job restrictions thus limiting every potentially cool and interesting costumes thus forcing players to make stupid combinations instead of unique and interesting looking ones. It is in our nature to use what resources we have to stand out even if these resources actually destroy the image of the game instead of empowering it.

Nothing more one can do - and honestly, nothing more one can wear, either. Sure there are very much generic looking pants, robes, armors to wear, but one does get sick of those by the time they reach level 50 - the first time, not to even mention any more times. And after that...? If one wants actual casual clothing, there really is so few in the game that basically not even with that can anyone stand out anymore. Swimwear, one nightwear, "evening" or wedding clothes... and basically that's it. And even many of those either cost a fortune or are practically impossible to get - and the rest on the other hand is as common as the leather subligar. So yeah... said this in another post, but relevant again: everyone using what is given does not mean it is actually fine, it just means it's a necessity because there is nothing else.