Can someone clarify this " less than 1mill subs"

[ApolloGenX]

I think it's interesting that fans will try to dispute a statement from SE itself this week, because they don't "feel" like it is true.

Except, those same people defend SE on everything else.

It's okay- Having a million players across games isn't bad. 500k used to be the standard for major success. The only game that is an outlier is WoW... and this game will never be that. So I think people should be happy that this game would traditionally have been a big success at 500-750k.

[Amiantos]

I think it's interesting that fans will try to dispute a statement from SE itself this week, because they don't "feel" like it is true.

Except, those same people defend SE on everything else.

It's okay- Having a million players across games isn't bad. 500k used to be the standard for major success. The only game that is an outlier is WoW... and this game will never be that. So I think people should be happy that this game would traditionally have been a big success at 500-750k.

Sorry I just have a hard time believing anything from sources that all publish stuff roughly within a short period of each other after some prior shit said sites have done in the same method.

[Roris]

I think it's interesting that fans will try to dispute a statement from SE itself this week, because they don't "feel" like it is true.

Pretty much. Those numbers from early 2014 won't suddenly explode into 3 million subs for ARR today, if anything they probably stayed the same, especially considering it pretty much flopped hard in China. There was the Korea version's launch recently but I can't really see that doing any better.

DQX's most recent figures were around 350k subs, I can't really imagine FFXI having more than 100k subs right now or 150k at best, so from that just subtract from a million and those numbers are close to what people on reddit have already guesstimated to be ARR's recent subscriber figures.

Sure 600k subs isn't bad I guess, but who knows what SE makes of it, they do at least consider them solid. Although those same figures sure weren't solid for TOR or any other WoW clone MMO in the past decade. It is worth mentioning Yoshida mentioned they don't have to answer as much to investors so they can get away with lower figures, which is a bit hard to believe. There is the precedent of FFXI still being sub based despite its low sub figures, but there's also the precedent of stuff like All the Bravest and all their recent F2P offerings so it all comes down to what upper management does about those figures, which they probably already did do something since they've been pushing the cash shop really hard. Then finally on that very same report it mentions how SE is considering F2P models for their major HD titles, which could or could not mean ARR.

At least it'll put a stop to the people screaming about how the game has 3 million subscribers, when those numbers were always just registered accounts.