Medica II abuse needs to stop

[aisustrong]

i remember this happening the first time i fought ultima as war
the other tank whined at him for pulling too much, and said med2 spam is impossible to hold aggro against

yet i managed to tank ultima for the entire rest of the fight
at like ilevel 53 or 52, with the stone vigil axe
so i dunno

[VanilleFang]

i remember this happening the first time i fought ultima as war
the other tank whined at him for pulling too much, and said med2 spam is impossible to hold aggro against

yet i managed to tank ultima for the entire rest of the fight
at like ilevel 53 or 52, with the stone vigil axe
so i dunno

One time when I was doing Ultima the tanks asked me to try to keep Medica II up at all times. So I casted it every time it came off. They had no problem holding hate.

[VoltaAsura]

I can't even believe that this is something that people do, and actually defend. Guess I can't be too surprised on what is on these forums anymore /sigh

It is stupid and there is no reason to precast medica II unless you are bad. PERIOD.

If anything, precasting medica II increases the chances of something going wrong because it makes it harder for the tank to manage/control the battle. IMO this is the tank's job - it is NOT to juggle hate/enmity with the healer.

Anyone that does this only makes it harder on the other people in their party for no reason at all... and at no time should a tank be blamed for some lolwhm who pulled hate for casting medica II at an inappropriate time.

It is not something you should do in speedruns. It is not something you should do in coil. The ONLY time I would see this being acceptable is during hunts. That's it.

[Velox]

I've seen SCH pre-cast WD while the tank is dragging mobs during a speed run. It's not just a WHM thing. The whole "need to run X dungeon 1000 times" has created bad healers overall.

[alsims2007]

Not sure why anyone is trying to defend this. To the person that stated a sheild lob/tomahawk would build more enmity than a regen tick, guess what your right but that only 1 out of the usual 3/4 mobs. the rest run to the healer, prevents the tank from getting initial positioning, delays melee dps, possible line of sight on casters depending on where the bad healer is. Most enmity generating moves are gcd moves (thankfully circle of scorn no generates increased enminty) thank means if the tank does the widely accepted ranged pull they have around 2.5 seconds before they can get the rest with an aoe enmity move.
Its in no way hard to compensate for but where is the benefit. If the benefit out weighed the negative then sure but ive never seen that occur

[Divine_Intervention]

It's not a matter of being able to survive and let the situation rectify itself. There are literally zero - Z. E. R. O. - reasons to pre-cast a Medica II or use during a pull. Please, by all means, do come up with a valid reason. I would love to hear it.

Snowcloak, first(?) boss, where he has the AOE's and frost bombs. Good pre use of medica II can cover for if the healer gets frozen. Can allow slightly weaker healers to catch up easier by having that extra HoT ticking over.
T6 - Cast a medica II before the second vine set, deals with damage occuring by people being silly and running the same direction with vines, also makes topping up the damage from spit slightly less panicky (pre-nerf this was a godsend, post nerf, not too much of an issue, but still there.)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying spamming this as a given before every mob is right. It's definitely not, tank pulls hate > healer waits for the aggro onto tank, THEN heals, but, there are certainly instances where using medica II before or at the very start of a mob/ability/expecting more mobs soon is useful.

source - mained WHM for ages.

[SummerRider]

Snowcloak, first(?) boss, where he has the AOE's and frost bombs. Good pre use of medica II can cover for if the healer gets frozen. Can allow slightly weaker healers to catch up easier by having that extra HoT ticking over.
T6 - Cast a medica II before the second vine set, deals with damage occuring by people being silly and running the same direction with vines, also makes topping up the damage from spit slightly less panicky (pre-nerf this was a godsend, post nerf, not too much of an issue, but still there.)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying spamming this as a given before every mob is right. It's definitely not, tank pulls hate > healer waits for the aggro onto tank, THEN heals, but, there are certainly instances where using medica II before or at the very start of a mob/ability/expecting more mobs soon is useful.

source - mained WHM for ages.

You misunderstood his statement.
He said:

It's not a matter of being able to survive and let the situation rectify itself. There are literally zero - Z. E. R. O. - reasons to pre-cast a Medica II or use during a pull. Please, by all means, do come up with a valid reason. I would love to hear it.

He was talking about before a pull or while the initial pull was happening, not after a fight has started. Your answer was more of a "cast Med II" before a big move, type of answer.

But then again maybe I misunderstood the OP or your response.

[Sanguisio]

A fun note to healers :
Use this analogy ^^

Think of healing as throwing water into a bucket and the healers control the tap and the tank controls bucket,. Regen, WD, Medica 2 are like taps running, the tank can make the bucket bigger by building aggro but only over time and when given the chance to do so. Whenever you pour too much water into the bucket, s***t gets f***d up and ruined xD
Obviously if it's at the start of a duty the bucket is minute and if you use medica 2 straight away you are turning the hose on full directed at a teeny weeny bucket, which means you might make a mess ^^


The only reason I think of casting medica II when fresh aggro bars are spawning are if you are a less geared healer and need to get aggro on something asap.
I would say it is OK e.g. t9 golems, crazy t12 kiter ^^, t4 maybe etc but discuss with your tanks as if they need to grab things as well they will need to have multiplier CDs ready to make sure you don't make a mess of their buckets xD

[Ordoric]

Medica 2 is not a pre cast skill its an OH CRAP ability after big damage it is not MP efficient in any way shape or form. STOP USING IT

[alphagprime]

You lost me at "tank gear."

Newbie WHMs need to learn that Medica II is not to be used like Succor. I think the habit of casting HoTs as if they were buffers is something players learn in other games and expect to work similarly here.

I think this is the issue, the WHM see SCH pre-cast Succor and say to themselves, "Hey...I can do that too!" except it doesn't work the same. In fact, a funny story here, a friend of mine was running ST for his first time with me. Since he was a WHM I queue'd as my SCH who was ilvl 106 to his WHM ilvl 80 something so that I could make his time less painful. He noticed I was pre-casting Succor on boss fights and things like that and without thinking mimic'd me with Medica 2 and pulled aggro on the trash pulls and died! It was hilarious! I later asked him why he did that and he said, "I just saw you doing it and didn't think a thing of it until I had a mouth full of mobs and was dead on the floor."

So yeah...