We want cleric stance

[Atreus]

What was that you said in the other thread?
Something about "mouthing off" beginning? lel

They just come out of nowhere, man.

You are just taking everything out of context. Do i need to quote and requote everything that was said in the conversation before or are you "not completely retarded enough" to go back a page and actually read?

Here's what you're doing. You're moaning for Cleric Stance to be reinstated or for tanks to be locked in Shield Oath or Defiance. This is stated very clearly here:

so pally's should not be able to switch out of shield oath as well as warriors should not be able to remove defiance.

You then try to draw a comparison to healer stacking by, for some stupid reason, even considering warrior stacking to be comparable:

I can easily see the warriors winning if none of the white mages heal, its called focus. play smart.

... which was in response to:

8 Warriors without Defiance isnt as deadly as 8 whm's all fully gear'd in Pvp gear, in the same spot, Cleric Stance all spaming holy, with DS Medica 2 and regen with stoneskin and protect.

So what exactly did I or anyone in this thread miss? Since just about no one's liking any of your responses, it seems like this isn't a misunderstanding, but a failure to communicate. The funny thing is, you're pulling out the "stupid" and "retard" when everything you've said in this thread so far is dumber than what the guy who doesn't even PvP has said (for the record Valmar, you are correct, I'm not calling you dumb at all).

You should try arguing the main points of your posts rather than this sidetrack.

Oh... and:

BiS pvp gear? i was unaware there even were many choices for pvp gear.

Doing wonders for your credibility. Keep up the good work.

[kensatsu]

SE drop cleric stance in pvp, and i hope it will stay like that, i play whm, mrd, drg in frontline, for me there is not point for healer to have so much dps, any full healing party would win in no time.
now any full healing party is just hard to kill. i think it should be a Healer Limit to a party btw.
And also don't considerate too much PLD/War/mrd like that, the true tank of the pvp is the healers, them get focused first, for me tank class is like dps class in pvp but weaker in damage and with more defense CD and vit, and protection tools for other only for pld

[TriksteR]

Even someone blind could see that cleric stance was game breaking in frontlines, it had to be removed.

[Hollowed]

They should have just gimped stacking the same jobs instead of the job itself. CS was not op with just 1-2 healers in a pt. Oh well.

[AutumnsHollow]

^ is the real problem, not cleric stance.

[Atreus]

^ Can stand behind that. Stacking is why they hurt Swiftcast too. 8(

[Stylelink]

@atreus

please tell me how many i110 choices you have on a given job.
The "warrior vs whm thing" was just to explain that no, a full party of white mages will not win against a full party of warriors if none of them heal, i know they will heal of course, and the whm dps is higher thanks to holy, but focused damage from any dps (or tank for that matter) is MUCH higher than that of any healer.

I see that many people don't agree with my point of view and that is fine, i expected more as i have talked about this on my server before posting it here, many non healers in the lot.

[kensatsu]

Stylink : 8 whm versus any other group can just lead to a draw
for pvp stuff you don't need only 110 piece on front, but you need 110 piece on wolfden (but it's dead)
Ilevel70+10 moral = Ilevel80, and frontline is I80 synced
For whm you would need for me deter and castspeed, tank accesoires is a choice for whm too, try to get tank accesories with deter if you go this way.
I play my whm with some 110 pvp pieces, other Ilevel70 pvp (to get more cast speed and deter) and i put tank accesories on it.

[Jinrya-Geki]

And if they don't do that either, congratulations, you just found 8 of the most autistic players on the face of the earth.

Lol gonna need a heal for my sides.

[Khonrath]

Honestly, just give healers Cleric Stance and allow DPS to have heal debuffs if they don't already.