What tank do you like to heal most?

[Ceodore]

Which is kind of dumb. I don't use HP to determine if a tank is tanky or not (if that makes sense). I always watch to see how fast their HP depletes and if they dodge AoEs and stuff. Lower HP =/= less tanking ability. That's rather ignorant. It's like saying one healer is better than another just because their heals restore more HP.

Precisely! I always use the Examine function to look at another tank, and I really only take into consideration their weapons and their left side gear. Each item, I compare to what I'm using, giving points to the tank for items ilvl equal or greater than my piece, and taking a points for an item ilvl less than my own. If they come out equal to what I'm using, I'll use Sword Oath. If they come out to less than what I'm using, Shield Oath. If it's a trail or raid I don't care about, I don't bother, I just throw on dps trinkets and switch to sword oath, because if it's something I don't care about, it's too easy to bother fighting for MT anyways.

It's mainly due to PLD's shield. I'm not suggesting PLD survivability is technically higher than WAR eHP wise or anything like that, but if you throw 3 attacks in succession that bursts down a tank to near death (or worse, not full to near death or death) there's a pretty good chance PLD will block one of them, or more if lucky. WAR's extra survivability oomph is in its self-heals, the thing people reference when comparing PLD's shield to WAR, but in the case of surviving near death, self-heals don't actually help on average, they're more for sustained survivability.

I kind of have to disagree with this whole statement. First, we can't determine for certain either tank's eHP past their simple toggle buffs, and I've already stated the Paladin's slight advantage in that. All other aspects of both classes simply relies on cooldowns, RNG, and skill, and just simply can not be accounted for without some level of fluctuation and error. Also, the Warrior's self healing is actually what makes their class such a wild card. If used inappropriately, the heals are useless, if used by a skilled Warrior, they are indeed life saving, ESPECIALLY at near death.

[Sleigh]

I kind of have to disagree with this whole statement. First, we can't determine for certain either tank's eHP past their simple toggle buffs, and I've already stated the Paladin's slight advantage in that. All other aspects of both classes simply relies on cooldowns, RNG, and skill, and just simply can not be accounted for without some level of fluctuation and error. Also, the Warrior's self healing is actually what makes their class such a wild card. If used inappropriately, the heals are useless, if used by a skilled Warrior, they are indeed life saving, ESPECIALLY at near death.

I'm just talking about the shield vs healing in relation to getting burst down (presumably from a missed CD or a healer being neglectful/dead/otherwise occupied, since ideally nothing can burst you down that can't be planned for), nothing more. I repeat this is not one bit WAR vs PLD overall.

Outside of ToB, WAR self-heals are far too low (75~ HPS from Bloodbath while it's up, roughly 200~ per Storm's Path, roughly 600 per IB, roughly 700 per SW) to stop burst down deaths. None of those can stop a 3K-5K auto-attack after T12 or T13 bosses do their mega attacks; they add up over the course of a fight, but not in clutch scenarios (unless you do in fact eek out just enough to live through the following damage with a small amount of healing). How often have you seen WARs heal themselves to safety in the aforementioned events? I've never seen it.

On the flip side, 30% mitigation of said mega attack or auto-attacks from a PLD shield can upon activation let you survive anywhere from one AA longer to several if the thing blocked was a Revelation/Flatten/Resonance/Critical Rip/whatever. It's a much smaller scaled version of 2.0 WAR vs PLD, where WAR scaled with himself and PLD scaled with incoming damage.

[SpookyGhost]

How often have you seen WARs heal themselves to safety in the aforementioned events? I've never seen it.

I have!



... in 2.0.

[raela]

I've only done scholar in dungeons. After reading through the thread, I don't know if I have really bad/odd luck or what.. but I have waaay more stress in dungeons when there's a warrior tank. I feel like their hp is always dropping rapidly/often and requires much more managing, versus paladins that seem to stand on their own a bit more (so I can either toss some dps, or heal up other party members when things are rough). Maybe I'm guilty of overhealing and the warriors would be okay if left alone a little more? But definitely when the tank charges off for a huge pull, I feel much better when I see that shield.