Are we really the good guys?

[ChazNatlo]

OBJECTION!

I'd toss in Faris (Legacy is a big deal in V. EVERYONE has family issues, so I can overlook that) and Agrias, but really, bar the scenes where they make sure to let us know/remind us that Faris is a woman, both of them are basically written in the "Write a man>change the gender>strong female" writing style, so I'd see how well they match up to the description of a male FF character. That said, either description really only applies best to The duteroganist couple. Cid Highwind certainly doesn't count as quiet and effeminate looking.

Oh, and as an aside, When I'm beig the worst of the worst in those Western MMOs while in character, shooting random passerby NPCs, murdering the innocents because I wasn't being paid not to, and the like, I do try to still be polite and curteous to my fellow PCs, unless we are specifically RPing. Run by someone biting off morr than they can swallow, toss out a heal, add a little damage if the combat rewards system allows it and it isn't kill stealing. With any luck they will remember that act of charity and pass it along to the next person. Maybe one day someome will step in to help me.

[kyuven]

Words.

Exactly. Which is another reason 13 is a little odd. Lightning's gender is mostly inconsequential to the plot (of the first game at least) and the role normally given to characters like Rinoa, Tifa, Aerith, etc. is instead given to a character that never fights in the first game and in fact spends the vast majority of it as a statue. Her relationship with Sera is important, but it feels more like she's Sera's sibling, rather than sister.
It's a good and bad thing, and given FFXV is going to have zero playable female characters...maybe it was a bad sign, or the writers just didn't get it...
I know as someone who's a fan of strong female characters in video games, FFXV isn't looking all that appealing to me. Four bros on a road trip and all that.

[Ceodore]

Exactly. Which is another reason 13 is a little odd. Lightning's gender is mostly inconsequential to the plot (of the first game at least) and the role normally given to characters like Rinoa, Tifa, Aerith, etc. is instead given to a character that never fights in the first game and in fact spends the vast majority of it as a statue. Her relationship with Sera is important, but it feels more like she's Sera's sibling, rather than sister.
It's a good and bad thing, and given FFXV is going to have zero playable female characters...maybe it was a bad sign, or the writers just didn't get it...
I know as someone who's a fan of strong female characters in video games, FFXV isn't looking all that appealing to me. Four bros on a road trip and all that.

Maybe yaoi? I can get into that, even if they are brothers.