People selling runs, why not talking about it ?

[LaylaTsarra]

How can you be against someone's personal choice? Sounds rather selfish. Just because your friend spent RMT money on a T9 clear doesn't mean everyone does and in the end you aren't a very good friend if you let that get in between your friendship, honestly that seems rather pathetic.

Getting funds from Gil Sellers is Cheating. That is what is pathetic. Those accounts should be perma banned. They make the entire economy worthless for those who actually work to earn gil. Secondly, buying a carry accomplishes what exactly? I don't understand that mentality. They didn't earn it and it's a farce really to say I've cleared such and such and really didn't do that.

[Cyllia]

How can you be against someone's personal choice? Sounds rather selfish. Just because your friend spent RMT money on a T9 clear doesn't meaneveryone does and in the end you aren't a very good friend if you let that get in between your friendship, honestly that seems rather pathetic.

As for point about inexperienced people joining T10 Groups, T10 is a lot easier then T9 so their lack of experience doing T9 could have little to no-impact on how they perform and T10 and on the same token the "bad" players are not always the ones that buy runs. Often times FC's do free carries for members or they can just get extremely lucky with a DF group and they may not even know the fight at all. You also have a choice to NOT play with them if you so desire, you could also form a static group of players or join a LS with respectable members who pug FCoB. There are definitely a lot of ways you can not get into a situation where you play with those players.

yea your right I'm not a very good friend when he was the one who originally said, I'm done I'm finally done an laughing at my face as he was getting carried in T9.......*Logic* kinda sad I TAUGHT him the mechanics in the 1st place, placement of boss,meteors,golemns,heaven falls patterns, radius of mercydia add.........O so im the bad person who took MY time with someone I wanted to see to progress just for him to pay for a clear later. Yea dude makes a lot of sense, its not selfish it's the point that if you deserve to be there it shows in gameplay, if you don't then well.... you deserve to be stuck where you are in content period you don't deserve to be in whatever current patch coil,raid,primal etc.* end of story.

If you have to buy a clear from a merc you should just stop saying anything. Your value of opnion of anything is negated at the fact you support people who cant play the game properly so they have to get carried....because they cant pay attention for a 8-12min fight that most boss's are including coil

Yea it's there choice to get carried? like are you even hearing yourself...? no seriously, give me one good reason they have a *choice* get a clear like everyone else ya know legit? play the game correctly or don't play it all or do us all a favor an jus click un-sub its right there on the front page of the log-in page of mog station

[Kuwagami]

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who is exactly "working" for their gils ? All the gils you have actually come from 3 sources :
=> quests, limited ressource.
=> dungeons and roulettes, which doesn't generate a huge amount, though the sum is steadily increasing
=> RMT gils, which are in fact coming from the 1st two sources but the players never earned them by themselves


Right now, maybe 60-70% of the gils in the market flow are coming from RMT at one point or an other. Bought some elemental shards ? You funded RMT. You're a super rich crafter ? most of your gil is probably coming from RMT at start, before being introduced in the market by buyers. etc etc...

Actually, the ones working the most to earn gils might very well be the RMT themselves...

RMTs write programs that create counterfeit gil? I thought they just botted their way to wealth.

Never said the first but I did say the latter. They got their gils with the means the game provided (with extra botting with sugar on top)

[Zedd702]

as an avid crafter who has paid for carries, I can say that although they may not be directly financed through RMT, RMT funds are likely laundered through us. Who pays for the items we craft? I'm sure we have all bought shards from an RMT shard seller as well.

can anyone really tell just what percentage of the in-game economy has passed through the RMT circle? I'm guessing its probably around 80%, mainly because I cant think of anyone getting rich purely from "green" gil sources.

I have my suspicions with a few on my server, but I choose not to say anything, because I do not know for sure. There are more obvious one that have not been on as frequently as I have been (I'm on everyday and for a long period of time) and when I see them sporting the 110 crafted gear on day two (and I have checked the MB history to see they bought the gear with gil, especially after lying to me that your "friend" crafted the gear for you), when I know that they play less than half the time I do, I become rather suspicious AND to add injury to insult they don't even have a single craft class at a decent level to bring in a 5th of what the ilvl 110 gear had cost them.

There are several names I see that really hussle on the MB and I give those folks props and hope that I get to that level as I have taken a recent interest in crafting. I like the "me" time where I can concentrate on my craft and make a little gil from items others are seeking. Sure the RNG will make me want to spit lava at my screen, but that's beside the point.

I know that there are legit crafters out there and I commend them. I also know there are people that exploit things in-game that have an indirect effect on those legit crafters and the rest of the non-RMT community. To each their own, but when violators are caught, they're caught. Then they'll sing their shoulda, coulda, woulda's and flame SE on the forums because they got banned for something they violated cause they really never read the ToS in the first place.

I actually thought about something just this morning. What if SE incorporated a gil bonus with the already 100 tomes, but even apply it on the low level stuff? IE 50k gil bonus, when helping out a first timer in the pre-50 dungeons, primals HM (25k), EX and post 50 dungeons 75-100k, raids 100-150k gil bonus. I know it's not a REALLY good fleshed out example, but I just threw it out there as I am sure whoever reads it would understand what i'm trying to propose, with the exception of a few I've encountered on the forums with really poor reading comprehension...

[Stihllodeing]

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RMTs write programs that create counterfeit gil? I thought they just botted their way to wealth.

[Ashkendor]

RMTs write programs that create counterfeit gil? I thought they just botted their way to wealth.

Botting on a multitude of characters 24/7 has the potential to basically create gil.

There's a bunch of BLM bots on my server that queue for dungeons together.

I have no idea what they actually run. @_@

[Warlyx]

Botting on a multitude of characters 24/7 has the potential to basically create gil.

There's a bunch of BLM bots on my server that queue for dungeons together.

I have no idea what they actually run. @_@

easy guildhests? even if its littel gil , multiply that x4 and 24/7

[Zedd702]

Botting on a multitude of characters 24/7 has the potential to basically create gil.

There's a bunch of BLM bots on my server that queue for dungeons together.

I have no idea what they actually run. @_@

I see the same three to four BLM's on my sever that stand around the Aetheryte crystal in the same position in Ul'dah all the fucking time and I know they are RMT bots. They have not moved from that position since I've been playing unless they are offline or queued into a dungeon. They are all still geared in their ilvl 55 BLM relic gear. Saw them last night. All Japanese names.

[Dante_V]

I have no issue with people selling clears but if there is anyone on here that is on Jenova And needs a clear, I will help you for free. I will clear you for free thru any ex primal or t1 - t8 just to get the sol bonus.

There is very little clear selling on my server specifically because there are people willing to help one another. Ultimately it is mutually beneficial.

At the end of the day if you are against people selling clears you can do something about it by helping others clear the content being sold and kill the demand for the service.

As far as reporting for undercutting that's just dumb.

[Lavieh]

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If you think people are buying runs to "earn" clears, you obviously haven't sold that much. I would say about 90% of the people that buy runs buy them for the following:

- They don't want to compete for drops - Probably the number one reason
- They don't enjoy content walls - Ramuh is a prime example of this.
- They want to enjoy how they play the game without added stress - Turn 9 Win is a great example. There are plenty of people who are absolutely content with clearing 3 out the 4 turns available for coil as they become puggable but the last turn is typically incredibly hard to pug.


Of course buying gil, in a sense is cheating, but they still work for the RL money that they spend. So they had to earn it in some manor. But I agree, RMT should be booted, it is just the mentality towards people who buy runs that is incredibly naive to me.