People selling runs, why not talking about it ?

[Ashkendor]

Because learning from others that HAVE the clear experience is so much more effective, perhaps?

Learning parties on PF are just that, usually every player on that specific team has fight exp but no clear... Very rarely will you see a person who has a clear be on a learning team unless they are someone in the learning PF's FC, on their friend's list, or a very helpful random person...

I guess? I don't see any point in paying someone to teach me when there's guides and youtube videos galore.

Honestly, I jump into learning/clear parties for things all the time. o.o

[Zedd702]

I guess? I don't see any point in paying someone to teach me when there's guides and youtube videos galore.

Honestly, I jump into learning/clear parties for things all the time. o.o

You kinda answered the year old question of why people would pay in the first place. lol...

I don't and WON'T pay. I get the satisfaction in knowing I helped, participated, learned and beat the mechanics...

[Ashkendor]

You kinda answered the year old question of why people would pay in the first place. lol...

I don't and WON'T pay. I get the satisfaction in knowing I helped, participated, learned and beat the mechanics...

Oh, definitely. As frustrated as I've been with T9, I refuse to merc a win. I know I can beat it.

[Krr]

Serious question though - how many groups offer discounts to experienced players in a particular fight?

Back in the 2.0 days, Cactaur had a group that sold T-HM and offered you discounts for both staying alive and an additional discount if their own team members died. If your performance was giving them trouble, you'd be made to jump off on the second or third attempt. Sadly, that isn't a market norm any more because a lot of fights have very easy ways for your 8th to wipe the entire party, and it's very common for experienced players to buy wins so they can move on from the content or even find groups for it that will accept them in the first place.

[Niwashi]

Assuming that's the most common reason (as it's certainly one of the most common reasons) to pay for a run, the only way the person paying gets what they paid for is if they get to participate in the entire run. That's what they're paying for the chance to do.

That makes no sense at all. Why pay seven people to teach you when you can just get into a learning party in PF?

I'm not quite sure how teaching got into the discussion here. I suppose that would be another possible reason for seeking help with a run, but it's clearly unrelated to the reason I posted about.

Even if the person buying the run knows the fight better than anyone else on the server and is the best player in the group, they'd still need seven other people to run it with them. The issue I posted about was difficulty finding those other seven people, not any difficulty with their own part of it.

Now, realistically, the people who are having trouble finding groups and are limited to only as many runs as they can afford to pay for, are unlikely to get a chance to become the best on their server. But that doesn't indicate that needing a group is the same thing as needing training. Those are two completely different things (even if at times they might occur in combination).

[tocsin]

I agree with you.

Have people that sold runs collected gil that was bought by RMT methods? Absolutely! Are all paid carries financed by RMT made funds? Nope.

as an avid crafter who has paid for carries, I can say that although they may not be directly financed through RMT, RMT funds are likely laundered through us. Who pays for the items we craft? I'm sure we have all bought shards from an RMT shard seller as well.

can anyone really tell just what percentage of the in-game economy has passed through the RMT circle? I'm guessing its probably around 80%, mainly because I cant think of anyone getting rich purely from "green" gil sources.

[Razzle]

I think buying runs is pretty silly, might as well just not play the game. That said, I wouldn't mind people buying runs if it wasn't for the feeling I get that the gil for buying it mostly comes from RMT. So if my hunch is right, the more runs being sold means the more RMT being used around, means more spam and cheating to live with for me

[Maero]

I honestly do not care about undercutting and such, reason: i am strongly against FC'S that sell runs in the first place

[Cyllia]

Im HIGHLY HIGHLY AGAINST paid carries, coming from a endgame player that has content on farm up to T10 it has torn a actual friendship between me an someone I've known since I started this game late January 2014. He told me basically to F off an he went to buy RMT gil an bought a T9 carry instead of letting me get people to HELP him for the clear for FREE (just want to state he was laughing at my face over psn an he is 36 I'm 23). I have HELPED I've NEVER carried anyone, I don't buy or sell runs if I cant clear the content by myself with 7 other smart people I would rather un-sub from the game then to have my reputation tarnished.

I'm also tired of the unskilled players joining my party..........stop catching other people up to content where I'm at so they can join MY party an get a CLEAR when they don't deserve it in the 1st place. I don't mind helping people but there's just a certain percentage of people that deserve to be there.

also if you want to see the story there are plenty of ways to do it: Shareplay it, Youtube it, or even read about it on reddit etc.* don't bring other people down its unfair for them to learn a fight just so you can wipe everyone or stay dead the whole time its rude, go learn the fight just like everyone else.

[Lavieh]

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How can you be against someone's personal choice? Sounds rather selfish. Just because your friend spent RMT money on a T9 clear doesn't mean everyone does and in the end you aren't a very good friend if you let that get in between your friendship, honestly that seems rather pathetic.

As for point about inexperienced people joining T10 Groups, T10 is a lot easier then T9 so their lack of experience doing T9 could have little to no-impact on how they perform and T10 and on the same token the "bad" players are not always the ones that buy runs. Often times FC's do free carries for members or they can just get extremely lucky with a DF group and they may not even know the fight at all. You also have a choice to NOT play with them if you so desire, you could also form a static group of players or join a LS with respectable members who pug FCoB. There are definitely a lot of ways you can not get into a situation where you play with those players.