Carbontwine/Carboncoat from WoD... Adopt the Shiva Ex dust drop method

[Odowla]

And get a 1/8 chance of winning the lot... And have no further chance until the next week... Get real.
I don't see why you're against the idea of actually having guaranteed progress towards something.

Because every time you do coil and clear t11/12/13 all 8 people lot, right? Real, every week someone has a 100% chance or a 50% chance, no worse. Unless you pug, pick your poison I guess.

You also don't need any gear higher than ilevel 110, so not getting a Coat/Twine isnt the end of the world; every fight in the game can be beaten with just that.

It's a QOL thing...
Example:
RNG option: Drop rate 1/3 (33.33...%)... 8 man party premade... Expected number of runs for everyone to each get the item: 24
vs
"dust" option: 24 "dust" drops needed for one item, 1 drop per run... Number of runs for everyone to each get the item: 24

If that's how it works it goes like this:

Week 1: Everyone farms all the items, however many clears it takes for tokens

Week 2: Everyone is gone, they've gotten all their gear, and have no further reason to play because they did everything that used to take a patch in a week.

That is why RNG is better than a token system; RNG means you have to throw time at it, for a chance of still not getting it - longevity, even if it's frustrating.
Tokens just means "Everyone run XYZ times, you get every piece of gear/glamor/whatever that you want, end of, time investment could be 200 hours or 2 hours and give the same result. (this method also feels like much more of a grind - "ugh, 10 more STs and i'll have my item, only 5 to go, ugh", etc.

Its partly so in an MMO, people have a reason to stay subbed - otherwise it would really just be all the players farm the shit out of everything in the first week, then after that no one logs in for 6 months when new gear comes out.

[ExponentialDecay]

Yeah, that's why nobody does hunts at all anymore.

Oh, also nobody ever runs ct2 either.

[Ellatrix]

How to guarantee sand/oil items from FCoB in 2 easy steps!

1. Build a static with equitable loot distribution rules
2. Kill the boss

Congratulations, you now have one every 8 weeks (4 weeks once you can kill T13). Also, they will be raining from the sky again in 2.5 which isn't that far off.

[Odowla]

Yeah, that's why nobody does hunts at all anymore

Well, that and no poetics (they used to be EZ mode to cap tomes) on all but S Ranks, and no one really needs their soldieries anymore after the great farm of 2.3.

How to guarantee sand/oil items from FCoB in 2 easy steps!

1. Build a static with equitable loot distribution rules
2. Kill the boss

Congratulations, you now have one every 8 weeks (4 weeks once you can kill T13). Also, they will be raining from the sky again in 2.5 which isn't that far off.

Agreed, lol. (like stated above - someone has either 100% or 50% chance (i.e. both healers, both tanks lotting, OR a DPS, single healer, ETC, based off of Weapon >Lowest iLevel > lack of drops > BiS > Highest ilevel > Freelot, generally. )

[Nekodar]

You also don't need any gear higher than ilevel 110, so not getting a Coat/Twine isnt the end of the world; every fight in the game can be beaten with just that.

So what if I don't need more than i110? I want to dye my poetics gear.

If that's how it works it goes like this:

Week 1: Everyone farms all the items, however many clears it takes for tokens

Week 2: Everyone is gone, they've gotten all their gear, and have no further reason to play because they did everything that used to take a patch in a week.

Yeah no... That's why in my original post I said that there would be a cap on how much you can get every week... And even wrote that Carbontwine could get a higher "price" so you can't get it in only one week.

[ExponentialDecay]

Well, that and no poetics (they used to be EZ mode to cap tomes) on all but S Ranks, and no one really needs their soldieries anymore after the great farm of 2.3.

Actually, I was being facetious because people are still doing hunts at nearly all hours of the day.

RNG really has no place in catch-up mechanics.

[Odowla]

So what if I don't need more than i110? I want to dye my poetics gear.



Yeah no... That's why in my original post I said that there would be a cap on how much you can get every week... And even wrote that Carbontwine could get a higher "price" so you can't get it in only one week.

So... Allagan Tomestones of Poetics? You already have those. Again, tokens make it feel like a grind, I know if I've been busy that week (work, school, extra raid hours, life stuff), It REALLY feels like a grind to cap out on a Saturday or a Sunday, even Monday. Grinding, for most people, is just really, really boring. I'd rather have the thrill of "did I win? YES, finally!" every couple of days than to run 25 Dungeons a week or w/e to get the tokens to upgrade.

As for dying poetics gear. Most of them look preeetttty bad dyed. But, eventually they'll just be handed out with 2.55, most likely. Patience!

RNG really has no place in catch-up mechanics.

Fair point, but being able to farm it all in a day doesnt really make sense either. I know you can cap it, but then it feels like more of a chore, as well. Who wants to do chores in anything but a housewife simulator? (this is a joke >: )

Example: Hunts - I know I got the Myth for like 3 books in a day and a half doing Hunts, it sped along my whole relic letting me basically bypass the whole grind part of it.

I'd much rather it be RNG at the start of the catch-up patch, maybe with a higher drop rate than ST was for Oils originally - in fact I thought it was well done overall, except for maybe the overall Oil:Clear ratio.

Start with coats, then add in twines as seen fit (they usually go with coil progress being the determining factor) with a moderate-to-high % drop rate, divided by 8 (assuming all rolling). A lot better than just kill x z times, here you go have a coat/twine.

[Nekodar]

Start with coats, then add in twines as seen fit (they usually go with coil progress being the determining factor) with a moderate-to-high % drop rate, divided by 8 (assuming all rolling). A lot better than just kill x z times, here you go have a coat/twine.

I don't mind if it's coats only at first...
But, what do you think about a mix of RNG and token?
That way you can get lucky and win the lot for the item, but also know that you don't have to run it more than X times if you have bad luck with the lots.

[Odowla]

I don't mind if it's coats only at first...
But, what do you think about a mix of RNG and token?
That way you can get lucky and win the lot for the item, but also know that you don't have to run it more than X times if you have bad luck with the lots.

I think a hybrid system woyld be best.

Say, currency cap of ~25, item cost is also 25
Currency drops one at a time, but the item has a small chance of dropping. If it drops, however, still doing the dungeon or whatever content it is, drops no more currency.

This would allow you to get your item eventually, and also gurantee you want to do the content. Getting the drop? No more currency, but you got the item for this week, so you were done farming. Next week you didnt get it? okay, just do 10 more and you get the item, OR it drops, etc, but the # of item per week needs to be capped, or the problem of being done gearing occurs faster.

edit: This should go without saying, get drop or spend the currency, either results in further drop rate reduced to 0 (or you could potentially spam the content in the hopes you get 4 per week, or more)

[Nekodar]

I think a hybrid system woyld be best.

Say, currency cap of ~25, item cost is also 25
Currency drops one at a time, but the item has a small chance of dropping. If it drops, however, still doing the dungeon or whatever content it is, drops no more currency.

This would allow you to get your item eventually, and also gurantee you want to do the content. Getting the drop? No more currency, but you got the item for this week, so you were done farming. Next week you didnt get it? okay, just do 10 more and you get the item, OR it drops, etc, but the # of item per week needs to be capped, or the problem of being done gearing occurs faster.

I'm ok with this