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    Thank you for not using the cash shop in the Gold Saucer

    As much as we tell you when we disagree with what you put in the cash shop and what not, I think it's fair to tell you that it's a pleasant surprise to see that you won't put any part of the Gold Saucer (cards and other features) on it, and that it all will be freely accessible by playing the game normally. This is the game direction that I personally like and enjoy.

    It's a bit sad that we have to thank you for doing something that should be the norm, in my opinion, but thank you anyways, regardless of the reasons for your decision (online casinos, blahblah). I hope that you keep our opinions -all of them- in mind the next time that you have to decide something related to the cash shop.

    P.S.: This thread is intended to be positive feedback about a design decision that I like and welcome, specifically about the Gold Saucer, so that the devs can see that we don't simply complain to complain about everything without any reason. It's not aimed to be a cash shop vs no cash shop flame war, please, so keep that in other threads.
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    It is not really a surprise. it is as expected.
    Only doomsayers would believe that mini game prizes would be in the cash shop.
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    Last edited by Felis; 12-21-2014 at 11:08 PM.

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    Of course they weren't going to put any limitation and cash shop for the golden saucer, the players wouldn't accept it, not yet anyway, but don't worry the coolest items will still be in the cash shop, only the less cool will be in the golden saucer.
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    The only reason you "have to thank them" is because of the false assumption that it would have used the cash shop when 99% of any update never even touches it to begin with and the golden saucer is a major component in 2.5b's update.

    It's not aimed to be a cash shop vs no cash shop flame war, please, so keep that in other threads.
    You shouldn't have mentioned the cash shop at all then..? xD

    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    Of course they weren't going to put any limitation and cash shop for the golden saucer, the players wouldn't accept it, not yet anyway, but don't worry the coolest items will still be in the cash shop, only the less cool will be in the golden saucer.
    "Some people" wouldn't accept is more accurate, because if players didn't accept a cash shop it wouldn't be standard in MMOs, just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    The only reason you "have to thank them" is because of the false assumption that it would have used the cash shop when 99% of any update never even touches it to begin with and the golden saucer is a major component in 2.5b's update.
    It's not a false assumption if you look at the most recent patch, where half of it was cash shop related, with a 66% of the major feature being in the cash shop for real money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    You shouldn't have mentioned the cash shop at all then..? xD
    FLAME war. Talking about it is fine, as long as people are nice and don't get into the usual crap talk, putting words in other people mouths, namecalling... You get the idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    "Some people" wouldn't accept is more accurate, because if players didn't accept a cash shop it wouldn't be standard in MMOs, just sayin.
    It's a standard because some people put a lot of money into them, thus making it profitable enough. These people are NOT the majority, by far, and it doesn't mean that the rest of the people are fine with these cash shops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    "Some people" wouldn't accept is more accurate, because if players didn't accept a cash shop it wouldn't be standard in MMOs, just sayin.
    I didn't mean cash shop cash shop , now we have a vanity cash shop, which is accepted, but a content/cap remover cash shop wouldn't be accepted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yshnal View Post
    It's a standard because some people put a lot of money into them, thus making it profitable enough. These people are NOT the majority, by far, and it doesn't mean that the rest of the people are fine with these cash shops.
    I think a majority of players think that vanity cash shop are okay in a P2P MMO these days, because a majority of players doesn't really bother about it, of course a minority is actually buying and another part is strongly against.
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    Well, I thank SE for this, but everything must be said, Yoshi stated clearly that relating a casino like game with a RMT/cash shop model would give them more problems than money, you know, age rates, national laws...

    The decision is right, the idea behind it is not.
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    they could use GP instead of Gil in the gold saucer tho and sell it via cash shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    It is not really a surprise. it is as expected.
    Only doomsayers would believe that mini game prizes would be in the cash shop.
    I'm willing to bed the only reason half the stuff wasn't in the cash shop was because of exactly the reason they stated... not wanting to fiddle with online casino BS. They didn't even try to get some good PR and say stuff like "We've decided against using the cash shop for Golden Saucer, for you, the players!", it was just "Yah, we couldn't because we didnt want to deal with the international laws and such regarding gambling".

    But I'm getting ahead of myself, complex online casino laws saved Triple Triad for me \o/.

    No but really, thanks SE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phe View Post
    they could use GP instead of Gil in the gold saucer tho and sell it via cash shop.
    They use GP (or whatever the token name would be), but you buy it with gil.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlaiseArath View Post
    I'm willing to bed the only reason half the stuff wasn't in the cash shop was because of exactly the reason they stated... not wanting to fiddle with online casino BS. They didn't even try to get some good PR and say stuff like "We've decided against using the cash shop for Golden Saucer, for you, the players!", it was just "Yah, we couldn't because we didnt want to deal with the international laws and such regarding gambling".

    But I'm getting ahead of myself, complex online casino laws saved Triple Triad for me \o/.

    No but really, thanks SE
    Sure they said it this way and not just you thinking what they would have said?

    The prizes exist to bring the players to play the mini games. Nobody would visit golden saucer if there is nothing to win.
    Putting the prizes into the cash shop would be counterproductive.
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    Last edited by Felis; 12-22-2014 at 12:29 AM.

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