So does the majority want the relic weapons to carry over into the expansion?

[Roris]

1.0 relics carried over and they built upon them so I don't see why they wouldn't again. What could happen is them simplifying and unifying the entire quests again, like they simplified the 1.0 relic quest, and make a single questline that gives you up to Nexus, and then work from there up to Zodiac with nerfed costs and what not. Though they could also just make a single questline that gives a fully upgraded i135 or whatever Zodiac, and once again work from there to whatever the next weapon forging quest will be.

Of course it would screw over everyone who worked for almost two years on their relic, but they already kind of did that in ARR with all the people who spent months in Hamlet and millions in crafting and melds, so they might do it again. Like the 1.0-ARR relic quest carry over, it most likely will also account for whatever progress was made, but of course with varying degrees of progression and more or less regret depending on which step you were at.

Just like doing all those Hamlets and spending all those millions put you up to Hydra, but if you didn't even get to the unfinished relic step you were left with an ok, but ultimately useless for the relic questline, weapon that was also already outdated since it was worse than the Moogle weapon you probably already had, and then you still had to do pretty much everything else from the start.

[seida]

YES, I definitely hope so, with the amount of grinding I am doing. I wonder how many people saying no have bothered to do the relic quests.

I don't mind if they nerf the previous stages like they did with atma, but to remove the need to do it completely would be kind of a slap in the face, and I'm not sure I would bother to do any new relic quest after that. Why bother, if it's not going to carry over? There's always easier alternatives, I have my upgraded Shiva weapon, but am continuing with relic in the hope that it actually means something, and because I got to choose the stats. Just have the light grind and then the final stage to go.

If they make it useless/pointless, I will be extremely disappointed.

[Deathscythe343]

I'll be very disappointed if Relic doesn't carry over into expansion, for most of us it took a LOT of grinding to get them.

Also the excuse that if we don't discontinue them, people will never catch up. I've personally seen FC/LS members brand new to the game, get up to novus in less than 2 months. Not really that hard to catch up.

People being able to catch up to the current upgrade process isn't really the problem. It is people, whom start playing the game post expansion, being able to do content that 99% of the player base aren't doing. At that point, doing the fates and dungeons, not to mention the rest of the steps to the upgrades will become a monumental challenge for those players.

[Deathscythe343]

Why bother, if it's not going to carry over?

This is the nature of MMOs unfortunately. Gear that players spent a lot of time and energy on get replaced by the new gear.

[Prototype909]

I want the relic quest to continue in the 3.0. People who can't stand the grind, can get the patch's weapon (primal, raid, crafted, tomestones).

Do you really think they're going to make the three new jobs start from scratch with i80 weapons?

[Gralna]

This is the nature of MMOs unfortunately. Gear that players spent a lot of time and energy on get replaced by the new gear.

Not the MMO's i've played, took me 4 months to fully upgrade my artifact weapon in DAoC, that was back in 2005, I used it all the way untill I left 2 years ago because it was still relevant for endgame. Dunno why people have such an aversion to options, if there isn't a clear cut BiS, then people get angry.

[Deathscythe343]

Not the MMO's i've played, took me 4 months to fully upgrade my artifact weapon in DAoC, that was back in 2005, I used it all the way untill I left 2 years ago because it was still relevant for endgame. Dunno why people have such an aversion to options, if there isn't a clear cut BiS, then people get angry.

Well that may be an oddity when it comes to things like this. The vast majority of the recent MMOs have followed this path. They have already set that precedent in this game with myth > solidery > poetics gear.

Certainly not against options. It just seems like the logical conclusion that they would start all players off on the same foot when the expansion comes out. It is the simplest of steps for them to worry about. Otherwise they will have to make a great deal of changes to the, then old, upgrade quests.

I have no doubt that the expansion will have a relic weapon for players in some form, however it does not seem likely they would develop that quest line in addition to making vast changes to the former line.

[Limecat]

I would say have a new quest of whatever difficulty that gets you the base zodiac form, but with some slight handicap since you didn't raise it all the way from the beginning. Say, it comes with cooked-in stats and you don't get to set your own until a later point, or somehow give relic->zodiacs an extra five iLvl upgrade they can do ahead of the newer weapons.

[QiLymePye]

I understand some people will be upset if they make the relic weapon we have now obsolete but its not that big of a deal. Yes you put alot of time into it, but at the end of the day, it was something that you decided you wanted. throughout this whole game we have issues where you put in an amount of time to progress or get gear only to find out its not needed a few months later. Its the nature of the beast. Yes maybe they should give something to players that did it, like a title or some minion or something, but in reality, if they were to introduce new relic, how many would still use the lower quality one? It happens. Its like working hard to afford HD LED Hi def tv years ago when they were super expensive, and now asking companies to compensate us because now that you can get one for couple hundred, we feel like we worked harder for ours so we should be compensated with a trade in or something.

[seida]

This is the nature of MMOs unfortunately. Gear that players spent a lot of time and energy on get replaced by the new gear.

Not really though, none of the other gear and weapons in the game have required as much time and energy as the relic. The whole POINT of relic is that is was presented as something that you could have grow and level up with you.

I really don't care that all the other gear gets quickly replaced because frankly it wasn't much effort, and only took time because of the weekly caps. Coil gear is more effort, but again that has always been known to have a shelf-life, that the next raid's gear would be more powerful.

Relic's whole thing is that it's legendary and can keep getting stronger.

Considering the lore around it I don't think they should make having done relic meaningless.