The Keeper of the Lake Elder primal

[Nalien]

So if they were sealed could we re-seal them?

Going off the Ramuh Main Scenario quests, I'd say it's more likely we'd use the technique to seal the Ascians, considering Primal Summoning is a planned thing. Perhaps the Ascians were even sealed there originally instead, they did teach the beast tribes how to summon after the fall I believe? There were Ascians in the introductory Echo section of the 1.0 quests, but we don't know how many. There does seem to have been a pick up in Ascian activity after the Battle of Silvertear Skies (if I'm correct about them teaching tribes after the battle), so perhaps a few avoided being sealed and set the events into motion to free the rest. Also... 1.0s Limsa story revolved around a horn used to wake the sea serpent seen in the opening, correct? That same horn was stolen by an Ascian towards the conclusion, and all of that took place in an Echo before the Battle for Silvertear Skies? Ascian steals horn which can wake sleeping serpents > goes to Silvertear Lake to wake Midgardsormr who was said to sleep in the lake, just as the Garleans arrive > the Garleans and the guardian of the lake (what was he guarding?) defeat each other and something is released, justasplanned.png

Regardless, from what I remember of the Ramuh quests, Ascians are similar enough to Primals that we could probably seal them in the same way, assuming there was ever actually a seal to begin with.

Given Icehearts parting words, I'm guessing this is all just leading to us being able to summon Primals as she did, though. The Allagan created the Summoner Job, so we know they had a passing interest in summoning Primals themselves with magic. Suppose the Echo was their missing link stopping them from properly summoning a Primal "perfectly", meaning we can summon Primals Iceheart style whereas they never could. Perhaps they attempted it without Echo and that is how Odin originated (his dialog suggests to me that he was once a man). Perhaps that failure lead to them taking a technological approach instead. Ultima Weapon already "captured" Ifrit/Titan/Garuda and utilized them in combat, perhaps their Weapons captured Primals and they analyzed them to consider their worth (Omega Weapon was used to subdue Bahamut, and they saw his worth as a orbital fusion reactor), worthless ones were permanently stored at what is now Silvertear Lake (which is right next to Crystal Tower, hint hint). Basically the Allagan were the Ghostbusters, and the Silvertear Seal was the Ecto-Containment System...

I'm guessing that whatever we find at The Keeper will be a "perfect" summoning method. It felt like Iceheart had Shiva on a leash (some nice imagery for you all), while it took a lot of Aether/Crystals for her to summon Shiva, she wasn't out of control and I imagine once Iceheart was done she could just hit dismiss and all that Aether would return to the planet without the need for a fight. When the beast tribes summon Primals, which they did so under the instructions of the Ascians, they're not on a leash. The summoning the Ascians taught was an "imperfect" summoning, which gives the summoned free reign to do whatever they want, and when you're the elemental aspect of fire all you want to do is burn (for example), which is bad for us, but exactly what the Ascians want.

Kind of makes me wonder if The Keeper of the Lake (Dungeon) will involve Ascian based enemies... If we're their to learn something which can foil their plans, it only makes sense for them to be there to stop us. I'd be down for a rematch with Lahabrea, assuming he grew a pair this time.