Cash Shop: Stifling development.

[Kuolema]

If you raise the sub price then everyone will be up in arms, but if you add a cash shop that most people could see coming a mile away then you annoy a few. SE isn't dumb enough to piss off everyone.

[Korilynn]

An item to sell, that I would think will officially die off.

How many people actually have lots of alts? How many want to EB their main, let alone all their alts?

[Stihllodeing]

If you raise the sub price then everyone will be up in arms, but if you add a cash shop that most people could see coming a mile away then you annoy a few. SE isn't dumb enough to piss off everyone.

So true. And only "a few" couldn't be any more accurate. I don't understand why anyone would think their 100th thread about the cash shop is going to make a difference to Square Enix. Here's the "truth" of the way it is:

How some want SE to address the cash shop:

"Oh I see! In light of recent developments, we've decided that vanity is indeed being gated by a paywall and we have went back on our word. To rectify this, we shall <insert the obvious bending of will to minority demands> and we are so SO very sorry."

Here's how SE obviously feels about the cash shop:

"Our official representative has already publically addressed the concerns. "No Pay to Win" is our stance and believe that statement is clearly defined by common sense."
"Not only have we not taken any items available for purchase out of the cash shop, we've added to the cash shop"
"We have not and do not have any future plans to address the forum community regarding this issue"
"We have straight up deleted (condensed) threads painting this issue in an unfavorable light"

If you believe it is wrong and decide to pay your sub anyway and come to the forums to complain, the only thing you accomplish at this point is painting the community out to be a bunch of self entitled spoiled gamers the entire gaming community complains about and/or exemplifying the "sheep gamers" you say people are who support the cash shop making a hypocrisy out of your own argument. I can't think of a better example of a "sheep gamer" than someone who hates the business practices' of a developer and then pays a monthly sub for their product.

[Xystic]

P2P MMOs these days provide MMO gamers with the choice to choose what features they want to invest in. Back in the hay day, we paid full price subscriptions regardless of how many features we used and didn't. Now, if you need the extra space you can tack on additional retainers fees to your subscription and if you don't, you don't have too.

If your big into vanity items, you can buy them from the cash shop and if your not big into vanity, you can just stick with your core subscription.

The only time we need to complain about a cash shop in P2P MMOs is when they start producing F2P cash shop items, items in which become completely necessary in order to progress the core subscription forward.

P2P Cash shops allow MMO gamers the choice to pick and choose what features they want to invest in on top of the core subscription. Its very much like building a PC now. You get the PC case and put in what you will use and what can be subpar or dropped out. If we wanted FF14 to include all things in to the core subscription then its very much like buying a prefabricated computer, expensive and loaded with a lot of components that maybe junky or not even needed.

Its a step at saving you money so you don't pay for what you don't use and when things do come up that you like, you can buy them with all that saved money.

[KIka93]

If you count buying a fantasia and name change.... (I wouldn't count it). Unlike many persons I wouldn't feel good with myself if my actions would be the opposite to my words. I'm not playing in a P2W game, instead I came to experiment FFXIV: ARR because I swore to myself time ago that I'd never touch that hell again...

Ok I have to stop you at the P2W thing. This is not a P2W game. What are you going to win with a non-combat minion, an optional mount that has a -slower- walk speed than most other mounts, and also a ghost costume?

[Kuolema]

Ok I have to stop you at the P2W thing. This is not a P2W game. What are you going to win with a non-combat minion, an optional mount that has a -slower- walk speed than most other mounts, and also a ghost costume?

Adrian is looking into the future as he has that power to see that in 6 months we can buy a fully completed zodiac weapon along BiS gear for all character classes.

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

P2P MMOs these days provide MMO gamers with the choice to choose what features they want to invest in. Back in the hay day, we paid full price subscriptions regardless of how many features we used and didn't. Now, if you need the extra space you can tack on additional retainers fees to your subscription and if you don't, you don't have too.

This would only apply if every aspect of the game had an extra cost. Should I get a discount if I never do coil? How about if I only want to level one class? How come only people interested in vanity have to pay extra money?

[Kuolema]

This would only apply if every aspect of the game had an extra cost. Should I get a discount if I never do coil? How about if I only want to level one class? How come only people interested in vanity have to pay extra money?

Because its easier to piss off a minority of players (vanity) then to raise sub prices and piss off everyone. Think of the vanity crowd as the red headed step child of the family.

[Tupsi]

Btw make sure you don't watch or read up on the JP Fan Fest info - Remember, development has been stifled and all.

[Jynx]

Btw make sure you don't watch or read up on the JP Fan Fest info.

What does that have to do with anything? I think your reaching for insults at this point, I know you can do better than that.

I will be excited to see what come from the Fan Fest and I will lament wondering what big announcment will possibly wind up in the cash shop. That doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to the content that wont be in it. Just a shame we have to guess what will and wont wind up there in the end.