Can we please get a Move-Speed Bonus on ECHO?

[abzoluut]

People with commonly high-ping or not the greatest reflexes can still struggle tremendously even if they've memorized the fight.

If you try to dodge on reflex, you'll be too late nine out of ten times. It's about hand-eye coordination, that's what messes people up. They just need the proper training but often don't know how to learn.

Your thread basically asks to simplify content even more. That is what it boils down to. 10% flat in coil seems way over the top. I bet people would still "struggle tremendously" which would lead to the next request: 1 perfect dodge or mana ward for every player, or something silly like that. It never stops..

[StouterTaru]

When you propose a topic and disallow the main argument against it you're not going to have a productive conversation.

What's the main argument against it, that you should learn to react to something before it happens?

It's a design flaw that the mechanics have one shot moves that require a reaction time less than that of the ping of many of the players. The only way to make these fights playable for a bad connection is to increase cast times for enemy moves, or have the damage determined player side instead of server side, which has its own set of issues. 10% movement speed won't change anything.

[SinisterIsBack]

This is my biggest complaint. Why do you play this game? Honestly ask yourself that question because at this point if you need the game to be THIS EASY to get anywhere then I just dont know what to say. Why play something that presents no challenge at all whatsoever? Why play it when you you constantly need to ask for it to be made easier?

This isnt really a shot at bad players or players with bad ping but im sick and tired of it. Sick of challenging dungeons getting nerfed because people cry, sick of fights being made into nothing more than a breezeway, sick of all the gimme gimme gimme attitudes that have corrupted all the good things about mmo's, and sick of all the little spoiled shit children who stomp their feet and threaten to take their ball home when they dont get their way.

Im sorry but, get better or go home.

[StouterTaru]

This is my biggest complaint. Why do you play this game? Honestly ask yourself that question because at this point if you need the game to be THIS EASY to get anywhere then I just dont know what to say. Why play something that presents no challenge at all whatsoever? Why play it when you you constantly need to ask for it to be made easier?

Because there's more to the game than the few dodge the rock or die fights?

There's a way to make fights challenging besides requiring instant reaction times. Remember the first week of the 3 newest dungeons? They were challenging until you figured out the mechanics, and got some practice in. You can put in mechanics that require skill and attention from the players without having an instant kill if your ping sucks.

[SarcasmMisser]

Because there's more to the game than the few dodge the rock or die fights?

There's a way to make fights challenging besides requiring instant reaction times. Remember the first week of the 3 newest dungeons? They were challenging until you figured out the mechanics, and got some practice in. You can put in mechanics that require skill and attention from the players without having an instant kill if your ping sucks.

SCoB is full of these things but people are still making the same complaints, so either none of you have actually played it or you are looking for the saddest ways to deflect blame. It's like you all got stuck on Titan EM and are still using that as your running excuse for every encounter in the game lol, none of the fights in SCoB are like that and its 90% not being garbage at your job.

[Ahmbor]

Total bullshit!

[Tiggy]

God just no. Why don't you just request a button you can hit to just win automatically without trying. At some point people need to actually learn to play the game.

[Sparktacus]

Because there's more to the game than the few dodge the rock or die fights?

There's a way to make fights challenging besides requiring instant reaction times. Remember the first week of the 3 newest dungeons? They were challenging until you figured out the mechanics, and got some practice in. You can put in mechanics that require skill and attention from the players without having an instant kill if your ping sucks.

But see, raiding has the exact same principle. The runs are challenging until a group gets the fight down then it becomes farm mode until next raid. In any case I also feel a movement boost is a bit unnecessary.

[Taruinatho]

Because there's more to the game than the few dodge the rock or die fights?
Remember the first week of the 3 newest dungeons? They were challenging...

I loled harder than I should've.

[Yukiko]

No simply because of the argument you are trying to avoid. Dodge mechanics, like in Titan, are scripted. If you can't learn a script, nothing will save you.
I think people just need to learn the fight.

Currently players avoiding it with outgearing and simply surviving onehit attacks... if i follow your argumentation you should not be able to survive onehit mechanic because its working as intended.
I wonder how many of you big mouths really survived titan at 2.0, i guess most of you beaten him afterwards! Maybe not with echo but still when he was weaker because better gear!
If you really like to challenge yourself try it with ghost costume and no echo, just as we did for fun back then...