FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[ZhycranaDranix]

"Some people can now get World First faster due to being able to gear up faster, hence unfair!" lulz ?

All players capping ''world first '' are dedicated players who have everything lvl 50 close knit FC's to where if they can't help themselves the next player will.

/end argument

Pay to win ?

*let me get hmm 10 mil gil off 40 bucks
Pentamelds IV atm should suffice to get you atleast on par with poetics maybe lower at the moment (one piece would probably blow through 5-10 mil off mat alone) .....so you're essentially paying for gear that's lower then gear already obtainable ingame ? Pentamelds provide a minimal stat increase over the poetics mainly people are using them for the vit for T12 ....IF THEY"VE even gotten this far...

This whole pay to win thing is crap to me .....its more like pay to obtain glam gear to me. No one is using this to actually WIN anything. i118 players are still gated behind T9 in some communities while final coil has been progressed already w/o the melds in some cases......

Pay to win to me would literally be a i155 chest piece right now that you can only obtain in the cash shop and the stats are just mind blowing......

[Taliph]

"Some people can now get World First faster due to being able to gear up faster, hence unfair!" lulz ?

All players capping ''world first '' are dedicated players who have everything lvl 50 close knit FC's to where if they can't help themselves the next player will.

/end argument

Pay to win ?

*let me get hmm 10 mil gil off 40 bucks

Ok, with 10 mil, that's all 8 crafts from 1-50. Or most of a BiS crafting set. Or most of a BiS gathering set. All pay to win.

You do realize that combat is only one part of this game, right?

[ZhycranaDranix]

You do realize that combat is only one part of this game, right?

Do you even read?

The comment was made on ''World First'' which is Combat related ? Am I wrong?
Majority are arguing the ''COMBAT'' advantage on this thread , am I wrong ?
Players with gear above average now still lack the actual skill to excel in combat , am I wrong ?

And the argument was intelling that they'll be able to acquire gear to help them win in combat.....nearly everyone is lvl 50 in Crafts and Gathering and a good 30-40% of servers are still losing .....so who's winning ?

[Taliph]

Do you even read?

The comment was made on ''World First'' which is Combat related ? Am I wrong?
Majority are arguing the ''COMBAT'' advantage on this thread , am I wrong ?
Players with gear above average now still lack the actual skill to excel in combat , am I wrong ?

And the argument was intelling that they'll be able to acquire gear to help them win in combat.....nearly everyone is lvl 50 in Crafts and Gathering and a good 30-40% of servers are still losing .....so who's winning ?

You made a summery judgement based on that one point... That it is "crap" to you... The problem with that is the fact that combat isn't the only part of this game with progression (which is a commonly understood "win" condition)

Second, with regard to combat. A fresh 50 can do what you said, buy their ilvl 110 with their bracelet money, there-by bypassing gearing grind to gain access to dungeons. If an exp pot is pay to win, so is buying your way past content.

[ZhycranaDranix]

Second, with regard to combat. A fresh 50 can do what you said, buy their ilvl 110 with their bracelet money, there-by bypassing gearing grind to gain access to dungeons. If an exp pot is pay to win, so is buying your way past content.

I like that you're adamant about this , and are apart of the player community who I see in turn trying to save it, but I see no hurt in this process at all.


This like Hunts will dye out. The #'s have died drastically since release its not a reusable thing once its gone its gone no one who bought 2 will by another...the demand will die way before it affects content in which is the case im arguing. The average fresh 50 will probably meld a MND +0 into their gear ...lol I'm just saying and a truly fresh 50 isn't going to by pass anyone progressing even T6 atm like seriously , you don't win a thing. Content prior to even the first coil is bypass able alone by ST and HUNTS so this argument was already outdated. Hunts had a big whoop , seeing players jump to i110 in a matter of days and look....4-5 months later T9 still gates a lot of people and 2-5% are still behind T5 even. (Again Im arguing the combat portion which I see most of this thread is adamant about being surpassed in progression Primals , Raids ETC. )

[Tupsi]

Ok, with 10 mil, that's all 8 crafts from 1-50.

With a friend or significant other to craft you leve turn ins or give you HQ mats to start your exp base a lot higher than if you had no HQ mats or access to mats also can powerlevel your crafts, thus you actually gain no advantage over anyone else by buying gil to level crafts, unless of course you have no friends or someone willing to help you. Then who's actually winning? The guy with no friends spending money on virtual currency..or the guy with friends/loved one that's helping them level?

So you're trying to defeat other people's arguments with an argument that can be defeated before it even was set forth.

Or most of a BiS crafting set

Which unless you're out to craft and HQ 4 star you don't actually need the 2.4 set. People were HQing 3 star in the 2.2-2.3 BiS which, btw, you could get "for free" considering how much Mythology rained on you. So once again:

Where are the Exp Potions? Drop Boosts? Access to exclusive raids that gives you better gear than what people can get from it? Oh did you know? Crafters and Gatherers can get Exp boosts from their Grand Company? Since you know you keep bringing up crafting..guess that's pay to win too in your definition. Since yeah, I paid GC seals and level faster than the guy who didn't by the Exp manuals, with in-game currency. :>

Seriously though, where's the screenshot of the ability to be far superior to someone who doesn't use the cash shop? Still waiting.

Do you even read?

The comment was made on ''World First'' which is Combat related ? Am I wrong?
Majority are arguing the ''COMBAT'' advantage on this thread , am I wrong ?
Players with gear above average now still lack the actual skill to excel in combat , am I wrong ?

And the argument was intelling that they'll be able to acquire gear to help them win in combat.....nearly everyone is lvl 50 in Crafts and Gathering and a good 30-40% of servers are still losing .....so who's winning ?

Yeah, the only way to argue against what you stated is to pull out arguments of something completely unrelated. Heck if you need to buy gil in a game where gil comes insanely easy..you're doing something horrendously wrong.

[Synestra]

Heck if you need to buy gil in a game where gil comes insanely easy..you're doing something horrendously wrong.

Agree. Been leveling all craft classes from lvl36-37 up to lvl40 to get self-repair and in those few levels i made 500-600k gil just by leveling them, didnt even try to make any money really. Also using scrubby vendor gear so i got some nice crafter materias that went from 40 to 70k gil each and that too gave nice gil bonus on top of spammed mats.