Switch to 5-mans to Alleviate DPS Queues

[Deathscythe343]

Like I said earlier in this thread, IF SE's plan to include a true support class is still a thing, then they may have to increase the party size to 5 to compensate for this. Obviously a support class would be lacking in the dps dept, so a party with 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 dps, and 1 support would likely have trouble with fights the way they are currently set up. This is unless the support class buffs/debuffs are fairly substantial.

[Gardes]

Been doing almost all my hi and ex roulettes as tank, half the time bringing a blm friend to guarantee quick clears. I personally see these roulettes as something I have to get over with because there's nothing in it that I want so only I'm doing it for the weekly tomes. If the dps queue is somehow 'fixed', I will jump in as blm because I value high aoe output more over whether the tank is decent or excellent (hard to be bad when they pumped flash enmity pretty high and aoe tanking is cake as war). I can only but groan when I go in solo as tank and get something like double monks.

[Sapphic]

I am not ignoring the fact that some people do not like to play dps, healer, or tank classes. It's a fact of life. There is nothing you, or I, or SE can do to change that fact. You were right about that.

I must be special then as I love playing all 3 :P main gear and second gear MNK and Tank on main, and have a ilvl 115 SCH alt too :P Farmed SCoB to death pre 2.4 and redoing it on my alt SCH made it fresh again as had to pretty much relearn the fights. But I'm also a firm believer that playing all roles improves your ability as a team player even more as you have first hand knowledge of the abilities and limitations of the other roles, plus you are more sympatheitc to what your actions can cause to making things easier or harder for them.

All DPS should lpay tanks and healers and see first hand how annoying the things DPS do can be. Like prepulling, not giving chance for tank to build any enmity or not avoiding avoidable damage.

[Kio]

I really like this idea and hope it will be something considered. But it's only half the problem. I think they truly need to also add new tank and haler classes that are easier and more fun to play. Currently they're high anxiety roles with a lot of responsibility and it wares people out or people whom primarily play DPS may be too shy to try to get into.

[Hyunckel]

I assume 4man is to have the FF feel since that is the party in alot of the older games.

I do not feel it works well in a mmo formate. It limits the jobs types you can have and 2:1 dd vs others is not enough. Since most the jobs PLAYERS are a DD classes.

FTFY
/10char

[tocsin]

FTFY
/10char

No, I believe his was correct. Its not that most players main DD, but if they want to level all classes, there are a disproportionate amount of DD classes to level to the other roles.

Just my two cents, though. I cant stand being DD, I feel like a toy robot with a gun.

[BigPapaSmurf]

They need to add a 5th party member (third dps) or elevate the tank role... make it far more complex/deep/interesting.

WoW's tanks actually began succeeding & picking up when they treated them more like DD's & gave them big numbers.

Not saying that's the way SE should handle their tanks, but it's one way that can help.

People like DD's for that feeling of powerfulness.

Conveying a tank's power differently can go a long way to help them feel powerful in their own right.

[QiLymePye]

I agree. like I said somewhere before, when i here the word "tank", the first thought that pops into my head is an actually military tank. Tanks are supposed to be bad ass. They command the field, you wanna take it out first, not just because its size is intimidating and can probably take hits, but for its destructive power. There is no destructive power in this game's tank roles, especially for PLD. I think they need to add more crowd control/fight control for PLD and more destructive power for WAR. Need an example: look at Dragon Age: Inquisition. I have fun playing as a Templar/Sword and Shield as well as with 2-Handed Warrior. I know its a different game, but the balance is really good between all of the roles.

[QiLymePye]

Actually, speaking of DA:Inqusition, you could compare sword and shield to gladiator with the Templar tree to PLD and the 2-handed weapon tree to marauder and the Reaver tree to WAR. Templar tree has a bunch of dispelling skills and passives, holy type damage, etc. Reaver has High dmg output that uses own hp and can absorb hp. If i could get that in the tank roles in this game...man...

[BigPapaSmurf]

Mmm DA:I so good.