RMT + Cash Shop = Not as bad as one might believe?

[coldreactive]

I'm honestly curious as to why this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. It's a fight of who has the loudest opinion and who can throw the most number of insults cramped into a single post at this point and it pretty much prevents actual discussion from taking place. Either people care too much, or care too little, or maybe just don't care. At this point, I can't be bothered anymore. I find it pretty interesting that the players are selling the Bracelets well below what the actual RMT are offering for the same amount. lol

Probably to sell them as fast as possible before Devs add "Untradable" flag to it.

[Kuolema]

You could cap your poetics without even trying by just doing expert roulette once a day. Not very time consuming. I rather not support the 'lesser of two evils' but an honorable company. FF11 did fine without that crap and is still going.

The premise is still the same. You can cap poetics buy the gear and upgrade it but just because you can do that doesn't mean you are really any good at the game or at coil so you will run into the same issue with someone "buying" gear from dungeon runs.

I never played 11 so i'm not going to comment on how good or bad it was but if the idea of the cash shop is so offensive to you why are you still playing 14 then?

[Venos]

They've even outright told people not to do this.

Oh please, they only did that so people would stop harassing them. You all literally had the first page of the general discussion covered with this nonsense.

[AdamFyi]

Probably to sell them as fast as possible before Devs add "Untradable" flag to it.

Nah, it isn't that. Players have been selling them below RMT prices for a while now, even before we got an official response on the matter.

[Nalien]

The issue will not be exacerbated.

Whether you want to admit it or not, having a "legitimate" source of exchanging real money for Gil is going to exacerbate all Gil Buying related issues. Win buying is one of those issues.

I could say how do you know that RMT has ruined the game?

Ruined for you or me? No. Ruined for the people who quit because Gil Buyers bought their goods with RMTs Gil and SE had to remove that Gil from circulation? Certainly.

[Kuolema]

Whether you want to admit it or not, having a "legitimate" source of exchanging real money for Gil is going to exacerbate all Gil Buying related issues. Win buying is one of those issues.



Ruined for you or me? No. Ruined for the people who quit because Gil Buyers bought their goods with RMTs Gil and SE had to remove that Gil from circulation? Certainly.

Then SE should have been cracking down on the RMT sellers and the bots so it was their fault. SE should have offered some sort of compensation to the players that lost out. Whether or not they did I don't know because that happened before I started playing.

[Taliph]

Nah, it isn't that. Players have been selling them below RMT prices for a while now, even before we got an official response on the matter.*depending on your server

Fixed that for ya.

[Verlyn]

Whether you want to admit it or not, having a "legitimate" source of exchanging real money for Gil is going to exacerbate all Gil Buying related issues. Win buying is one of those issues.

Win buying has little to do with Gil buying. Again, correlation != causation. You could argue this 'bad must= bought wins' thing is also a case of this same poor logic.

You are perfectly capable of booting people out of your static if they're not performing. Don't have a static? Then your choice is limited to whatever is available at the time. That is reality. Anything else pushing the wristlets as the Cause of All That Is Doom and Gloom for FFXIV, is ridiculous fear-mongering as I doubt you've done the research as to exactly how this is affecting the game (It'd be kind of hard to: You don't have any data!).

[Fuma]

The OP's point hits it right on the nail, beautifully written. My only question now is if I were to go sell the eternal bond item would I then get banned later by them just cause they asked we not do this?

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

[dice137]

I'm mostly baffled by the hypocrisy in this whole debacle if anything.

RMTs sell gil illegitimately? "It's expected", "you see it in every game, just ignore it", "evil, but not the end of the world".

SE has one tiny cash shop item that can legitimately be traded for gil? An item they anticipated would end up getting sold by people? "Outrageous", "P2W", "Coil is ruined FOREVER", "the economy is done for", "DOWN WITH THE CASH SHOP".

(And yes, I'm aware that there's plenty of people equally sickened by both.)