RMT + Cash Shop = Not as bad as one might believe?

[Nalien]

You could say the same thing about people that farm for poetic gear. People have been able to purchase gil from RMT's for a good while now and it really hasn't hurt the game that much, but the second that SE come up with a way to do the same thing everyone seems up in arms about it. Honestly I would rather support SE than some random RMT website that does who knows what with my money.

1) How do you know RMT hasn't hurt the game? Do you know what the game would be like without RMT? Are you unaware of the mass Gil removal a lot of legitimate players faced due to RMT? Do you know how much they'd have charged for housing if RMT Gil wasn't in circulation?

2) SE didn't come up with this way to do the same. They've even outright told people not to do this. This is a case of SE making a mistake and letting players abuse it, just like the old Black Mage exploit for Garuda in 1.0. I'd expect something similar to the Salvage bans from duplicating gear in XI back in the day, but I really doubt SE will take such a hard stance on this.

[Kuolema]

1) How do you know RMT hasn't hurt the game? Do you know what the game would be like without RMT? Are you unaware of the mass Gil removal a lot of legitimate players faced due to RMT? Do you know how much they'd have charged for housing if RMT Gil wasn't in circulation?

2) SE didn't come up with this way to do the same. They've even outright told people not to do this. This is a case of SE making a mistake and letting players abuse it, just like the old Black Mage exploit for Garuda in 1.0. I'd expect something similar to the Salvage bans from duplicating gear in XI back in the day, but I really doubt SE will take such a hard stance on this.

I could say how do you know that RMT has ruined the game? People will always find a way to exploit games and look for the easy way. It is just the fact of life.

[Nalien]

The issue will not be exacerbated.

Whether you want to admit it or not, having a "legitimate" source of exchanging real money for Gil is going to exacerbate all Gil Buying related issues. Win buying is one of those issues.

I could say how do you know that RMT has ruined the game?

Ruined for you or me? No. Ruined for the people who quit because Gil Buyers bought their goods with RMTs Gil and SE had to remove that Gil from circulation? Certainly.

[Venos]

They've even outright told people not to do this.

Oh please, they only did that so people would stop harassing them. You all literally had the first page of the general discussion covered with this nonsense.

[ShinigamiZero]

You could say the same thing about people that farm for poetics for the poetic gear. People have been able to purchase gil from RMT's for a good while now and it really hasn't hurt the game that much, but the second that SE come up with a way to do the same thing everyone seems up in arms about it. Honestly I would rather support SE than some random RMT website that does who knows what with my money.

You could cap your poetics without even trying by just doing expert roulette once a day. Not very time consuming. I rather not support the 'lesser of two evils' but an honorable company. FF11 did fine without that crap and is still going.

[Kuolema]

You could cap your poetics without even trying by just doing expert roulette once a day. Not very time consuming. I rather not support the 'lesser of two evils' but an honorable company. FF11 did fine without that crap and is still going.

The premise is still the same. You can cap poetics buy the gear and upgrade it but just because you can do that doesn't mean you are really any good at the game or at coil so you will run into the same issue with someone "buying" gear from dungeon runs.

I never played 11 so i'm not going to comment on how good or bad it was but if the idea of the cash shop is so offensive to you why are you still playing 14 then?

[coldreactive]

You know, they could always sell Allagan Gold Pieces in the cash shop :P After all, GTAV Allows you to purchase money directly via real money. GW2 does it indirectly with gem marketplace.

Or you know, they could do what EVE does with PLEX, as well as WildStar with C.R.E.D.D. (FFXIV is still better quality, and since it's a PVE Game, these things would make the game have more community.) if they need a name for an item, they can call it an Astral Aetheryte with the description "Blessed by the divines in the first astral era... this wondrous and proud aetheryte once stood tall, directing souls of all kind from the beyond into the world as new life. No one knows where it came from, it pre-dates all manufactured and allagan aetherytes, and is textured like the sea of stars. Some say, Hydaelyn herself came from this divine object." You could have a quest that unlocks the ability to use this system though (IE: Level 30) to make sure people who actually will want to play the game can use it and so that free trial people cannot use it among other things. Can also be used as a housing item.

[Verlyn]

You know, they could always sell Allagan Gold Pieces in the cash shop :P After all, GTAV Allows you to purchase money directly via real money. GW2 does it indirectly with gem marketplace.

Or you know, they could do what EVE does with PLEX, as well as WildStar with C.R.E.D.D. (FFXIV is still better quality, and since it's a PVE Game, these things would make the game have more community.)

After what happened when one item was salable in game, a change to this sort of dynamic would have to be slow.
Needless to say, I'd probably avoid the forum for a few months because I'm not interested in reading all the whining anymore.

[coldreactive]

After what happened when one item was salable in game, a change to this sort of dynamic would have to be slow.
Needless to say, I'd probably avoid the forum for a few months because I'm not interested in reading all the whining anymore.

Indeed. Happily playing Final Fantasy XIII-2 on PC. (And it's like, 80% Less "Hallway" than the first.)

[Shougun]

Boils down to some people wanting a value so they dislike the cash shop, and then when a way to make in game progress from out of game finances happens and say "I don't want my out of game circumstances* to dictate the speed at which I can make in game progress" other people respond with "lol don't care, invalid wrong opinion, cause I don't care". *Whether that be willingness and values, or ability.

Tell me why this bothers you so I can tell you I didn't really want to know about it. Also for a reason why being able to directly play the in game economy outside of game with money can be awful, just check out D3's AH before they closed it. D3 was obviously farther down the rabbit hole but it really affected players perspective on achievement, and its purpose ended up being its own point of death.

I suppose it is like cheat codes in a multiplayer game, and that you won't be able to always clearly know if they're using them or not - so screw it everyone cheats that is winning. "But buying gil with real money is not cheating when SE allows it" - like the p2w discussion that depends on perspective, I don't think being able to buy your power in a game is ok. Even if it allows players who want to buy the item with gil that is normally on a cash shop.